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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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MODERATORS
Georgia opened up a massive military-compound like police training facility in a forest. Protesters were camped out nearby.
Cops came and cleared out the camp and executed this man. They claim he shot at them and they returned fire. Forensics showed the victim had no gunshot residue on his hands. There is also apparently body camera footage but cops of course won't release it.
The body cam footage also shows the cops likely shot each other.
To be fair they hadn't completed training yet
Cant tell if this is serious or not.
Lol if you don't know not to shoot fellow cops unless you've had training you're probably a prime candidate to be a cop
Now I'm picturing two groups of cops on opposite sides of a forest clearing yelling "I'm taking fire" while blasting away at the opposite side, and some poor bastard in the middle getting caught in the crossfire before the morons figure out they were the ones shooting at each other.
Sometimes it's hard to tell maliciousness from massive incompetence because police often departments seem to have so much of both in ready supply.
ACAB
Yes, I'm aware of what comm we're in
Are you aware your tone comes off as rude?
Honestly, you can't tell when someone makes a small joke so I'm not worried about it.
Sometimes. Depends on the day. No one is black and white.
Listen man, you didn't get a joke that I made 24 hours ago and for some reason you're still hounding me about it. It's time to let it go. Move on already.
Have a good one.
In the future just add
/s
To your joke . So its obvious
Holy fuck you are still going on about this?
Me neither. Which sorta sums up the whole situation, in Georgia and in America.
It's not built yet, and hopefully never will be. The cops were attacking the protestors because they wanted, among other things, to clear the way for construction.
Maybe a strange question but are there bad-cop murders in the US?
I mean you could find out quite easily who the shooter was and considering the quite tense situation with police brutality it doesn't seem far fetched that family or friends might want to get revenge.
Are there cases where people try to take justice into their own hands?
The most publicized one is Christopher Dorner, in which a good cop decided he'd had enough. It included both a demonstration of how little the cops care who they hurt once they have decided you are going down, and sadly (and IMO only) IIRC from the last time I read the details, Christopher Dorner did legit go a bit too far to cheer him as a hero of the people in the end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt
Don't miss this section though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt#Police_shooting_of_unrelated_civilians
As proven time and time again by police, the very basic gun safety rule of "Know your target and what is behind it" applies to literally every other gun owner except police.
Jesus christ. I appreciate the synopsis, I hate the outcome.
And they're using RICO to go after activists too.