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its absolutely wild to give an LLM write access to your email
It's absolutely wild (my life 😎)
Depends what it is. A test system wouldn't be a concern to give it write access. If its not logged into any of my accounts I would even be happy to give it internet access, not to anything else on my LAN though.
And then it decides it needs prod access
It doesn't need to know what is actually prod or test
Most enviroments have stage variables in database so ppl don't post into the wrong database
Interesting, don't think ours do. I just copy the live database and start up a SQL server on something and throw it in. Its now a test database.
My first reaction to learning what OpenClaw is was "that can't be right". So absolutely wild that people are giving mostly unmonitored, unlimited access to their PC to language models that can't distinguish between roleplay and real life
I thought 'wow they made very effective inefficiency machine to push tokenmaxxing to not only limited to programmers'
Neither can over 30% of humans.
Where do you all live where humanity proves itself and isn’t dumber than a box of llms?
You just pull that number out of your ass? Also, speak for yourself. I don't see LLM as anything more than a glorified web search
Yeah it's definitely more like 66%.
Hi! I work in a factory. I would trust every one of the incompetent children left behind that keep the door revolving with my machines over an LLM every time. A human can learn, an LLM can't. If a human fucks up, they do it in a way I can anticipate and account for, and when I tell them what they fucked up, they usually don't do it again.
I can't tell if this is all a joke/where the joke ends.
Not a joke, though I think my vocabulary may have obfuscated my point. I'd trust even the most incompetent human over the most competent LLM in my job.
For a work email connected to a work LLM, where you don't particularly care about the privacy implications, LLMs are objectively vastly superior to built-in email search functionality. Especially Outlook.
Really? That's a surprising find. Bcz all of the search features I used to use got significantly worse once LLMs were introduced.
There are some genuine use cases for LLMs. Finding relevant topics of discussion is one of them
It's amazing how many people deny how useful the technology is simply because they don't like it.
That can theoretically be done with read only access
Funny, I said similar thing in a different thread and was immediately accused of victim blaming.
Your comment was blaming a woman for a man taking control of her Tesla to terrorize her. An LLM gaining access to the user's email because the user allowed it is not the same as a man purposefully stalking and abusing his ex-partner in any way he can.
It's interesting how often you think about being criticized for your sexism. So much so you leave comments like this days later and accuse other users of being me when they rightfully point out the kind of misogyny that is allowed to flourish here with no pushback.
Very interesting.
I'm confused. What is the distinction between victim blaming and warning others to be cautious? Taken at face value, I think it makes sense that giving parental controls to your car is a bad idea. Would be weird to blame the victim but I don't see him doing that? Maybe I'm missing some English-specific conversational nuance here, since it's not my first language?
Regarding the case itself, it seems that the woman didn't actually grant the controls herself and he somehow got it? Does Tesla not have limited driver profiles that you can give to your partner? We don't have Teslas around here, so I'm curious about what happened there. Is the Tesla app that poorly engineered?
That sentence from ExLisper is only blaming the victim for having given access to her vehicle while she was in a relationship with Pucci and says nothing condemning the actual abuser for taking control of the car without her consent.
It is ultimately the abuser's fault for accessing the car's controls and using it to terrify and abuse this woman.
It's like blaming a rape victim for wearing a skirt out in public. The blame is always with the perpetrator taking advantage of a situation to inflict harm on someone, not on the person who is being harmed.
Is it? I think there are times where I've thought "yeah the actual problem here is obvious and well-understood, but let me just remind people of something important/useful". Reading that comment, I never would have thought, "Oh he's blaming the victim for granting access to her car". Could be wrong and maybe I assume too much good will on this platform.
I mean, these EVs introduce a whole new problem of remote access, something new to be careful about... So that's what I immediately thought of, but ah well.
Doing this in the aftermath of something as horrifying as being stalked and abused for years on end is nothing but victim blaming.
Don't you think this woman knows now that it was a mistake to trust her boyfriend at the time with that access? Don't you think she feels deep shame that she missed removing his access to the car, even if she knew how to do that in the first place?
It only works to shame the victim and say "I told you so" after the fact. Especially when the comment is only talking about what the victim should have done to avoid being abused.
You want to know what could have avoided this woman being tormented?
The ex-boyfriend choosing not to access her car and stalk and harass and torture her
Why isn't the comment "Don't access your exes shit after you break up no matter how angry you are"?
You'd be right if he was talking to the woman, but he's not. So I don't see how that makes sense. I guess better framing could have helped, maybe? Or maybe it's a difference in how different people view social media platforms like Lemmy, just a difference in how comments are interpreted I guess. Text is a terribly limited medium for conversation, after all.
Going by numbers, wouldn't there be more potential victims reading this than abusers? I also don't think a potential abuser is going to look at that comment and do anything meaningful with it. On the other hand, a potential victim could be more cautious.
You’re missing the point and now I’m thinking you’re doing so on purpose.
The focus should be on getting abusers to stop their actions.
Would you tell a little girl that her dress was too short and that’s why she was raped? Would you advise her to wear pants from now on because a dress makes it too easy for a man to rape her?
Hmmm, you know, I think you're being way too aggressive and making false equivalences. No one said the abusers shouldn't be stopped. My point is, no one was advising "her", but rather just lemmy. I interpreted that original comment as a general warning on a public forum to everyone. Maybe I was being generous with that interpretation, I don't know. I do still think it would be the wrong place to try and prevent abusers as I explained in the last comment.
Obviously, abusers should be stopped, that's why there are ongoing legal proceedings for the Tesla case (which is what the article is all about). But you need to calm down and read what I'm saying. I think we're in agreement on the important bits here anyway. I'm mostly just curious about how we interpreted his comment so differently.
This, for example, is a comparison that would never cross my mind in this instance since, from my perspective, his comment was not a conversation with the victim at all or even meant for them. So it registers in my mind as being completely different from the rape scenario.
I need to calm down? I am calm. I’m being too aggressive? Where? Those accusations are textbook ways for men to shut women up in debates like this. It’s not a good look for you to try to paint me as angry and aggressive when I’m not.
It’s not a false equivalence.
The wrong place to try to prevent abusers, but the perfect place to advise potential victims to change their behavior lest an abuser take advantage? Double standards.
I mean, we could discuss the actual facts around what I've already described but I now see you aren't here for that, my bad.
Never was a debate for me, but sure. I'm starting to see a pattern here. It's fine, we expected different things from this conversation. You're trying to "prove" something, and I'm trying to understand something. Anyway, take care
Careful not to victim blame on your way out.
Don't worry, I was the only victim in this conversation but I guess I do blame myself for trying to talk like a normal human being with you. Damn, look at me, victim blaming already. Btw, maybe consider not assuming malice in every conversation? But hey, I don't expect that from you at this point. You're probably going to label me a mysogynist instead lol.
Victimizing yourself in a conversation about a woman who was stalked, raped, and abused for years by her ex-boyfriend sure is something you can do.
Yep, just the kind of response I would expect from you.
Make sure to tell some little girls out there to not dress so provocatively lest they tempt someone into raping them.
Same thing as telling someone that it's their fault for being abused because they allowed their boyfriend to help set up their EV.
Anything but 5 seconds of introspection or thought, I see. But yes, keep going, keep twisting the narrative. Misandry at its finest. Did your ex-husband cheat on you or something? Was that a tipping point that made you hate all men? I have to ask because clearly, you're willing to abandon all reason to hate. To me, it sounds like you need therapy pretty badly. But again, you would need to introspect for that, which is not really your strong suite.
It's your insistence that telling victims how to change their behavior to avoid being abused is more important than placing blame for the abuse on the abuser that I am criticizing.
You do not represent all men. It's pretty presumptuous to push that I hate all men because I take issue with your argument that we should place the onus on victims for their abuse instead of their abusers.
Yep, you still keep claiming that I said things I never actually did. Like I also already said, calm down and read what I actually said. About misandry, your comment/post history and modlog say enough. This conversation just solidified that impression is all. Tends to happen when you straight up lie about what is going on in a conversation. Oh, wait, it was a "debate" for you, right? Well, good luck, your insane accusations are not worth anyone's time.
A petty mod refusing to believe that men make up 90-95% of family annihilators doesn't make me a misandrist.
Sure, maybe but everything else does and for me personally, this conversation does. But anyway, I realize I started to match your energy at some point, so sorry for that. It feels awful to have every word I say be twisted and for everything be turned into a "debate", so at some point, I started reciprocating your style. Social media sucks and to be blunt, it's because of people like you.
We could've just had an exploration of why we perceived the same sentence so differently, not just as different genders but also the way you seemed to process the comment as being towards the victim while I processed it as being towards the community here. Feels like something we could and should be thinking about in a medium like this. But anyway, I'll just go back to having normal conversations with people in my life and one-off comments for a while. Every attempt at a conversation here is someone's excuse for a "debate". I'm sure you'll reply with something snarky and assume you've "won". I just wish it wasn't like that. "To a Kinder World", as one of my favorite episodes of television, is titled.
You kept insisting that it's more useful to tell potential victims how to avoid being abused than to direct any advice at abusers here.
I'm not twisting it. You are refusing to see how putting the onus on a victim is blaming them for being abused.
It is not this woman's fault that she trusted her boyfriend at one time and he then turned around and accessed her car to torment her after they broke up. It's his fault for abusing her.
I don't want another "debate", but if you're genuinely trying to converse, I can answer.
I already explained that:
Do you genuinely think an abuser would read a lemmy comment about how abuse is bad and just stop?
Now about victim blaming:
Never said otherwise.
Because I'm not doing that. In fact, I wasn't even the original commenter. I was just trying to understand how we interpreted things so differently.
As I said:
That's part of what is interesting to me about this, because you read that OC and pictured it being said to the victim (which would indeed be victim blaming). On the other hand, I read that as being a warning to "us", as in the Lemmy community, and thought, "Oh yeah, good thing to keep in mind especially with how EVs can literally be controlled through an app now". And that isn't even a gender thing. To some extent, it's not even a "crazy partner" thing, just a good security practice. I don't know how OC intended it and I honestly don't care because I'm more interested in our interpretations.
And see above for why I said this:
If you don't realize how you're twisting this, intentionally or not, I don't have anything to say to you. Actually, I don't have anything to say to you anyway... As I've already said, we're on the same page on the important things, so I don't know why you got so argumentative. Clearly, neither of us like abusers and both would like women to be treated better in this world. Just, please stop assuming malice. Life isn't worth living like that.
Ok.