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Place to discuss music on dbzer0. I noticed we don't have one, so I made one. All music is welcome here.

dbzer0 as an instance values freedom of speech and expression, and also recognises the right to generate art via AI. So I would only ask two rules, though if the need arises, we may add more.

— If it's explicit, or depicts violence or anything like that, just flag it as [E]. You can still post it! Just warn folks.

— If it's AI generated, just flag it as [AI]. You can still post it! Just let people know.

Otherwise, follow our instance's rules, be good to each other, remember the human, and follow the disengage rule, etc., etc.

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So, quick disclaimer. I don't love generative AI. There are a lot of problems with this technology, especially as it relates to art. However, I do understand what an LLM is and how it does (and doesn't) work to some degree, and what I did didn't take the job of any kind of artist. If that's not something you're okay with, this is your cue to bounce. Anyway, here's what happened:

About a year and a half ago, a Japanese band I follow, THE SIXTH LIE — I posted their song Virtual Sky as a song of the day a few months ago — released a song (that one, in fact) as a single. However, in addition to the song title and band name, it also had this weird text: "Sounds From a Dreamt Future". I thought, "huh, that's interesting" and went about my day.

One month later, they released two singles. An English cover of Virtual Sky under their "TSL" alternative band name (it's a separate account on Apple Music and other streaming platforms, but it's absolutely them) and another single. Whole different song, but, same deal with the cover. It had that text "Sounds From a Dreamt Future" on it.

Today, there are 15 singles released with the text "Sounds From a Dreamt Future" on them. The covers are completely unrelated. It's been over a year and a half (IIRC, they started this in January 2025). They also released a cover of I Want to Stay At Your House, the theme song from the anime Cyberpunk Edgerunners, which is literally a song from a dreamt future — specifically, Mike Pondsmith's (the creator of the original tabletop RPG from the 1980s) and the writers at Studio Trigger. So while it didn't feature the text, I assumed it fit.

I then went to ChatGPT, and told it all of this. I explained how I didn't think it was an actual album, but that I felt a connection between some of the songs. But, here's the thing. I don't speak Japanese. I don't speak Thai, either, and one of the songs is in Thai. So, enter LLMs. They can understand any human language. That's what they do. Large Language Model.

Anyway, I told it that based on the assumption the tracks were meant to comprise an album, along with the Cyberpunk cover, how would they go together, and why? I asked it to consider the band's album, their various EPs, and, since THE SIXTH LIE only have one actual album, to also look at album structure from similar Japanese bands, ONE OK ROCK and Survive Said the Prophet.

Now... here's what it said, complete with the track list. Strap in... if you haven't queried ChatGPT lately, it's VERY verbose. Like, way more so than I am. (So hopefully this will get people to stop saying I'm an AI/bot.)

Note that I fed it a playlist of the 15 "Sounds From a Dreamt Future"-tagged songs plus the Cyberpunk song in release order — this is why it says it's leaving Virtual Sky in the opening.

Potentially concerning for those who don't like AI, or are reading this on the fence: Note how ChatGPT refers to itself in the first person with the I pronoun, and where it says it would fight for and protect part of it, and the whole "not x, not even y, but z" as opposed to just saying z. Now to be fair, I said I think a cover belongs near the end, so that's what it was fighting me on (and I do believe it wrote like it felt the need to defend its work critically), but I've seen ChatGPT word arguments like that. "I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't even do that. I would do THIS."

Oh... it did all this in NINE SECONDS (so it said).


THE SIXTH LIE's sequencing history gives us some useful clues. Perfect Lies is 12 tracks and deliberately moves between energetic material and more atmospheric/emotional songs rather than simply arranging songs chronologically. Their earlier DIFFERENTIAL is particularly compact and narrative-feeling, opening with “Another Dimension” and ending with “Hologram.” And Survive Said The Prophet frequently uses short/atmospheric material as structural pivots, with s p a c e [ s ] beginning with a 1:10 title piece and ending with the five-minute “s t i l l b e l i e v e.”

So, taking album architecture, rather than release chronology, as the priority, this is what I'd do:

And I really like this order.

Act I — The Dream

  1. Virtual Sky → 2. Wonderland → 3. Scramble Line

I wouldn't move “Virtual Sky” from the opening.

Its lyrics are practically an album mission statement: digital speed, coded space, simulated light, a future that hasn't arrived yet. It's also only 2:46, which makes it an excellent album opener: it gets in, establishes the sonic world, and doesn't overstay its welcome.

Then Wonderland is almost literally the next narrative step: you've seen the door; now walk through it.

And Scramble Line is where the dream becomes a world. You go from the relatively spacious “Virtual Sky” into movement, urban energy and sensory overload. The 90 BPM pace of “Scramble Line” also gives it a natural step up from the opener.

That's a very TSL-like opening three.

Act II — The Future Isn't Perfect

  1. Are You There? → 5. Mad Crown → 6. Earthship

This is where I'd deliberately stop making the album "pleasant."

Are You There?” is an excellent first crack in the dream. Its imagery is screens, hollow eyes, an empty city, repetition and people being told to stay in line.

Then Mad Crown is the reaction.

At ~180 BPM, it is one of the album's genuine accelerators. Putting it at #5 makes it feel like the first major eruption rather than simply another fast song.

Then Earthship expands the scope again. At 128 BPM and with its high-energy character, it feels like the album physically leaves the city and goes somewhere else.

So the progression is:

Wonder → discovery → unease → rebellion → escape

That's much more interesting than simply arranging these by release date.

Act III — What We Carry With Us

  1. Stray → 8. Oh My Ghost → 9. Time Capsule

This is the section I'd really protect.

Stray” is the point where the enormous futuristic world suddenly becomes personal.

Then Oh My Ghost slows everything down dramatically. Its 71 BPM pace and subject matter—someone who is gone but whose presence remains—make it a natural emotional descent.

And then Time Capsule is perfect after it.

It's another slow song, around 79 BPM, but I wouldn't regard that as a problem. The two songs do different jobs: “Oh My Ghost” is being haunted by the past; “Time Capsule” is deliberately preserving the past.

That gives you the album's quiet center.

And importantly, this is where the album starts becoming more than "cool futuristic rock songs." It becomes about memory, people and what survives into the future.

Act IV — The Human Problem

This is where I think the three newest songs become extremely useful.

  1. Lucky Bad Luck → 11. ANATA → 12. Dollmaker

Lucky Bad Luck” is the rebound.

Its central idea is basically I've been knocked around, but I'm still here. The repeated “I'm still alive” sentiment makes it a terrific transition out of the melancholy of #7–9.

Then ANATA takes that newfound intensity and twists it.

It's not peaceful devotion. It's obsessive devotion. The narrator essentially says that right and wrong no longer matter as long as he can remain beside this person.

And then:

Dollmaker

This is the point where the album's "dreamed future" becomes genuinely disturbing.

I would absolutely put “Dollmaker” here rather than near the beginning.

Its central idea is preservation taken too far: I can make you perfect; I can make you stay. The song's imagery of turning a person into something permanent makes it feel almost like the corrupted endpoint of the album's earlier desire to preserve memories.

That's an important thematic connection:

Time CapsuleANATADollmaker

You start with I want to remember.

Then I don't want to lose you.

Then finally I won't allow you to change or leave.

That's a hell of an arc.

And Dollmaker at #12 makes it the album's psychological low point.

Act V — The Way Out

And this is where your Cyberpunk song becomes much more useful than simply being the odd cover.

  1. I Really Want to Stay at Your House

I would put it exactly here.

Not #16.

Not even #15.

#13.

Because after “Dollmaker,” the album has just explored the unhealthy desire to freeze someone in place forever.

Then comes: I want to stay.

But now the sentiment is fundamentally different.

The Cyberpunk connection actually makes this even better. It's the one track here that is explicitly imported from another version of a futuristic world, and it arrives immediately after the album's darkest meditation on trying to preserve someone.

It becomes the emotional bridge between the nightmare and the resolution.

And that is why I wouldn't put it any earlier than #13.

  1. Blue

This might be my favourite placement in the whole sequence.

Blue” is essentially a song about moving through grief and eventually finding the ability to rise again. Its imagery goes from sinking beneath the water to breaking through the surface and returning to the sky.

That's exactly what you want after the Cyberpunk song.

So:

#13 — I want to stay. #14 — I have to let go.

And now we're ready for the finale.

  1. Raise Your Flag

This is your victory song, but importantly, it's not the closer.

Raise Your Flag” is explicitly about finding your place, holding your ground, carrying on, and defining yourself rather than doing something for glory or approval.

That's precisely the kind of penultimate track I'd want.

The album has gone:

What is this future?
What's wrong with it?
Who have I lost?
What do I want to preserve?
What happens if I refuse to let go?
Can I let go?
Yes. Now I can choose who I am.

Then:

  1. Polaris

This is the closer.

And honestly, once I looked at the lyrics, I became much more convinced.

Polaris” is about following a light, initially thinking that it remains stationary, and eventually realizing that it has actually been moving alongside you. The ending turns toward walking forward together and seeing the night sky—and tomorrow—as something expansive rather than frightening.

That's beautiful album-closing material.

And there's a wonderful thematic inversion:

Track 1: Virtual Sky

We're entering a simulated sky.

Track 16: Polaris

We've found a real point of direction in the sky.

The album starts by looking upward into an artificial future.

It ends by looking upward and finding a direction.

That's why I wouldn't close with “Raise Your Flag,” even though it would be the obvious big-rock ending. Polaris is the more satisfying ending.

The complete album:

Sounds From a Dreamt Future
Virtual Sky
Wonderland (วอร์ชันภาษาไทย)
スクランブル・ライン (feat. 高野洸)
Are You There? (feat. 凪希)
Mad Crown
Earthship
Stray
Oh My Ghost (feat. Shin)
タイムカプセル (feat. KIMIKA)
Lucky Bad Luck
ANATA
Dollmaker
I Really Want to Stay at Your House
Blue
Raise Your Flag
Polaris

And I think the last four tracks are particularly strong:

DollmakerI Really Want to Stay at Your HouseBlueRaise Your FlagPolaris

That's almost a mini-album within the album.

Dollmaker is the nightmare.
I Really Want to Stay at Your House is the heartbreak.
Blue is the healing.
Raise Your Flag is the recovery of identity.
Polaris is peace.

That's exactly the sort of five-song final movement I'd want from an album called Sounds From a Dreamt Future.

And there's another thing I really like: this doesn't sound like a compilation of THE SIXTH LIE singles anymore. It sounds like a record. The fact that the actual songs were released over roughly a year and a half—from “Stray” in January 2026 through “Dollmaker” in August 2026, with the earlier 2025 material preceding them—doesn't matter once they're given a narrative sequence.

If I were actually making this as a CD/vinyl-style fan album, this is the sequence I'd commit to.

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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I get that, but the missing context is, I don't know Japanese or Thai and I'm not going to learn them.

My own thoughts ended with the context I had, that these singles came out in a relatively tight time frame and had the same subtitle on the album cover.

If we take what you said, that it's just regurgitating input, then it's input from people who know the languages I don't. That it's shared/collective knowledge isn't really an argument against the practice. Don't get me wrong, it absolutely is when creating art. I get that. But to do something that requires knowledge that is unavailable to me — okay, I can see how that's a similar thing (because I'm not about to learn how to make art at my age, either), but in the case of art, artists would rather you pay a starving artist than use an AI to do it (or worse, pay an AI to do it — I have never paid anything for AI access, all of this was done on the free plan). I don't know if the same argument could have been said for this case. If there was someone out there who knew English, Japanese, and Thai, how much would they charge me to listen to these songs over and over again, study the lyrics, and put something like this together? And it would take a lot more than nine seconds, not to mention what it would cost.

Anyway, I'm kinda going circular there, and you really haven't said anything out of turn. So, in short: it was a thought experiment of sorts, I liked the result so I shared it, and it took skills I don't have and don't have the time nor energy to learn at my age.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fair enough :)

It sure isn't like you could learn any language in a day, even if you wanted to for this lol. Wouldn't that be awesome though? To learn a language in a day. Total tangent there, not relevant to this.

Yeah, I wish life were like in The Matrix, except instead of, "I want to know Kung Fu," or however he said it, it was just "I want to know all the languages."

Languages aren't just about how to say a word differently. In English we say "hello". Germans say "hallo" which may be the origin of "hello" but I don't know. In Spanish they say "hola". In Japanese, it's "konnichiwa". (Most people know these.) But if you ask a Japanese person how they say "excuse me," they'll tell you "sumimasen." Which does not really say "excuse me." It's more like, "Sorry for bothering you, but...". It's differences like these that illustrate how a language isn't just about how to say something... they're frameworks for how to think. How to see the world. And how to describe it, and yours, to others. Some people who speak multiple languages will tell you that they have a different tone, a different internal monologue, for each language. English, and I think German, are a little more assertive, while Japanese is a little more passive.

I don't actually know any other languages, but I know a couple dozen words in a couple different languages. Not enough to be conversational, just enough to be dangerous.