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I dont get how you don't consider Project 2025 terrifying enough to vote against in a swing state. Like, do you, I just don't get it.
If Biden wins he'll just do most of whatever project 2025 is anyway, because bipartisanship
I don't think so personally but ok,.
He ran on blocking the building of "another foot" of wall - now he's waiving 26 laws to re-start the building of wall straight through wildlife refuges.
He ran on getting children out of cages. As soon as he was elected, one private for-profit child prison that had been stopped during Trump's administration because of bad optics immediately got the green light. It's holding children prisoner right now, as we speak.
He ran on fighting covid, because Trump was trying to pretend it wasn't a big deal. The instant he got into office he began the job of telling everybody it wasn't a big deal, ending all the financial aid, ending free vaccines.
You literally cannot convince me that Biden will prevent a single damn thing Trump wants to do. He'll just do it while the media pretends it isn't happening.
edit: at least with Trump some of the media tries to do the job of reporting the awful shit he's doing. They make no attempt at it for Biden.
Yes I know all those things. You're not going to successfully convince me to be less scared of Project 2025 though because its a whole nother ballgame. I don't even know why you're trying. I thought the party line here was "I dont care if you vote Democrat". Its not like me choosing to do so is harmful? And for the record as I said in my other post i'm not even going to do so anyway because I live in MA where my vote doesn't matter. I just personally feel that if I did live in like Michigan or something I'd vote because Project 2025 is legit horrifying.
does it matter which color party implements it if it's going to happen or not regardless?
Yeah I dont think things on the level of Project 2025 are going to "happen or not regardless" no matter how much doomer shit gets spread on here. There is a material difference, no matter how slim. And I stand by that.
You can disagree. I'm not here to vote shame. If you don't feel that Democrats will reduce harm or make a difference in any way, do you. I just do not see the evidence in the same way you do.
children in cages, the wall, israel, general imperialism, police, Roe...
I literally already said I'm aware of these things already.
However trans rights are a sticking point for me and considering the fact that Democrats in my state have passed sanctuary state legislation and other protections while red states go the opposite way, I see a material difference on that issue that matters to me.
Idk why you are even bothering I LITERLALY said I'm not voting for President because of where I live. The posts about "why bother vote evangelizing to communists" that are made elsewhere apply the other way. Stop trying to CONVICNE me not to care. Its materially pointless. Me choosing to vote, which I'm not even doing, doesn't hurt anyone.
Like I said in the comment chain down the line, Democrats in my state have passed trans sanctuary state laws, and this has happened in other blue states as well. Meanwhile red states go the other direction. This to me is enough of a material difference to matter. An unfortunate number of things are the exact same under Biden, and I'm aware of all of them. But the trans rights issue alone (which Biden has actually taken some action on, not anywhere near sufficient enough action, but enough for me to call it a material difference) is enough of a difference maker for me and I'm not even trans.
Like do you know what I'm referring to when I talk about Project 2025? Because its actually genuinely terrifying stuff.
I mean like I said, do you. It doesnt materially matter in a huge enough way for me to care. I overall agree that the American system will continue "trucking alone" whether or not you participate, and you're just one person. I dont actually care if you vote. I just want to make my position clear and also understand yours.
Well, you should probably google it. Can't hurt to be aware. I dont think its a very online thing either. Its the GOP's entire agenda for the next few years.
Yeah I mean, thats my point? Heavily blue states are making themselves sanctuary states. This to me is a sign of the material difference between Democrats and Republicans. Idk what that response was meant to say. Like, yeah, whats going on in your state sucks. But it doesnt contradict my point.
I've seen a few examples of EOs Biden has put out regarding trans rights, but I dont have all of them available, here's just one: https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/15/joe-biden-texas-transgender-care/
Like I said, far from sufficient, but it is to me a material difference. If it isnt for you, thats your prerogative, particularly as a trans person.
That sounds fair enough to me then.