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[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Ya they both wanted the same thing but paul vanhoeven went a more literal path. The book read more like the recounting of a jar heads experience. Implying that despite the future having all these new toys the fasicm and ptsd hasn't change. While PVH wanted to show how seductive and enthralling fascism ACTUALLY is. Most kids were down for genocide without thinking it through. Star ship troops is a propaganda film that seduces its watchers with sex, adventure, and style.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fascism is seductive, that's the biggest problem.

[–] SalamiDommie@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago

Which is why everyone is turned off by Trump and the MAGA-ts

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, the DVD has a great commentary by Verhoeven where he is quite explicit about his intentions of showing what fascism really is in that film.

[–] DevDave@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess it would have been harder to accomplish commercially a similar feeling that I believe Mass Effect 2 elicited.

Mass Effect 2 major plot point

spoilerAll through one of the three games in the series, you're fighting this intelligent hive species with a central overlord called creatively "The General". Right before the exact moment of defeat, you find out that the General and therefore all of his people, had been under the direct control of the true villain in the story. You realize this as the now normal, non-glowing eyes, General looks around confused and confused. Then they're gone with the blast wave.

Starship troopers unfortunately had a perfect straw man villain with the bugs. It would have been interesting to see something like James Cameron's tall smurf people as the antagonist in the story instead.

Halfway to that and Starship troopers is the game Hell Divers 2 which has you being a literal suicide commando. If you die in the game, you're character is replaced by a new recruit waiting in stasis. If you look and listen, the writers give you horrifying hints of the truth. One example is the intelligent bug species are fighting back because Super Earth had been using them as fuel for their star ships.

That is unfortunately PVH's mistake with Starship Troopers. There is no contrast to show how fucked up things are.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why would there be contrast? It's a propaganda film.

[–] DevDave@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have noticed a few people are a bit slow on the uptake and or struggling with critical thinking.

Though perhaps it's best not. For example so many people feel Pearl Jam's song Alive uplifting or inspiring. Ignorance is bliss.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Made in the USA is another one that comes to mind