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New poll reveals that more than 70% of EU citizens want Europe to act more independently of the United States and China
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Once Trump's gone things are not going to magically return to normal. Nutters like Musk and Thiel will still be infliencing things. Vance and Millar will still be around. None of these people are going to see justice.
America voted Trump in twice in two separate sittings and it's quite obvious that a large enough slice of the population is a-okay with his policies and shitting on allies.
It's too much of a risk to have such close integration that our defence posture and economy are overly dependent on how many voters turn up in southern states.
It would be absolute negligence for Europe to accept going back to the way things were beforehand and a total waste of money trying to influence their elections. We should work on areas that don't leave us liable to be extorted but should always keep America at arms length like we do with the chinese. I mean christ we're pulling out our gold now due to the risk it might be used against us.
He didn't get 50% of the vote either time and things are much better for the USA, NATO, and the EU with the DNC in charge.
Don't act like Trump's illegal tarriffs and friendship with (subservience to) Putin are the norm.
And how many American voters just DNGAF and stayed at home? It's a coin flip now which US you're going to be dealing with every election cycle. MAGA isn't going back in the bag, it's just going to morph into America First.
Trump was America taking its mask off, it's spelled out now in big letters "we have leverage, were going to use it and make you know we're using it too". That 30% of Americans absolutely love it. Is the next GOP ignore the base on this and say that alliances are beneficial? Of course not, they are going to blame them for taking American jobs and not paying their way in NATO and all the other MAGA guff.
The EU population is now aware of our vulnerability to the US and how the US wants to exploit it. It's not going to be politically tenable for EU leadership to pretend like nothing happened over the last 10 years. You can't make long term plans with a country that is so unstable.
It's not just the EU, South Asians now cannot count on Americans to be around to back them up and are having to re-evaluate their alliances and cosy up to China more. And the Canadians? Well....
8 million people who voted for Biden didn't show up for Kamala Harris, in very large part because of intervention by China utilizing TikTok.
And now China is helping the AfD rake in gains in Germany and similar actions across the EU.
That's exactly what I mean when I say the EU is better off with the USA and should be spending resources to counter the eastern bloc before it becomes too late.
The trust is broken. We can't be an ally on and off every 4 years. The US supported Orban and AfD etc, it's clear that we are on different paths. Personally I will never want Europe to be an ally to the US again.
Then enjoy having a third militaristic autocratic world power because you chose to do nothing, dufus.
And who else is appearing at AfD events and actively helping them? Elon Musk. What democrat is going to have the balls to take him on and remove his wealth? It's just not happening, the US is always going to be a problem for the rest of the world now the US oligarchs have played their cards and now can't slink back into the shadows for fear of reprisals.
If we saw a DNC leader that actually broke up big tech, nationalised Elons Musks SpaceX, held trials for the Trump administration then we might start warming to you again. But it's fantasy stuff, I will make a prediction now that you won't even remove the ballroom, at best it will be renamed to someone the right hates and then renamed again back to Trump when the GOP come back to power. A disappointing amount of Trumps damage will be repaired and China is going overtake the US to become the new world super power.
It is the DNC platform to tax wealth, Kamala Harris' tax plan on her official 2024 campign website was to tax unrealized gains of millionaires and higher.
So, all of them.
It has very obviously been the norm for the last decade.
I don't know how you can keep pretending it's not.
Because things were measurably and visibly better under DNC leadership without fail.