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i wish i could escape the ecosystem but ive been in it for decades now and have no idea how to:
sigh. no clear checklist path.
thing is: i am a sw engineer already and have lazily enjoyed my phone being something i dont have to worry about day to day.
What exactly are the phone concerns tho?
Having to tinker with a Linux phone? There's tons of issues still.
welp it is my understanding that a degoogled andrioid os phone involves a bunch of sysadmin steps to keep stuff updated and secure? i could be wrong!
Not at all, perhaps only a modicum of technology confidence to do the install, though I can understand how it can feel/seem a tad daunting. Sent from my GrapheneOS pixel with no sysadmin knowledge 🫡.
Only if you consider using a different app than the play store to be sysadmin, really. Depending on your reliance on proprietary apps and ability to accept foss apps, it doesn't have to be much different.
well yeah. i love me some foss stuff. but from an os level, the footprint and response to cves from an oss os vs a corporate one i can see going both ways. in short, i should pick up and try a graphene one.
I don't think it was ever that troublesome. But custom rom support was indeed a hit or miss thing. I bought FP6 with /e/OS preinstalled for this reason and had no issues. At least no major ones. No babysitting required stuff just works.
Other popular option is google pixel with graphene.
Using GrapheneOS is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. I'm not de googled entirely as I use the play store for some apps, but running the sandboxed play store and an F droid client is all it takes. That's like 5 minutes of setup. It's really not different from stock android or iOS except I have two app stores to choose from instead of one. It all updates automatically and just works
thanks for the input!
i left their ecosystem about 3 years ago now.
i haven't used any google products in like 10 years anyway (it's why i switched to apple in the first place. but i feel like now the open source or european alternatives have finally caught up with the standards i need).
great write up. thanks! i use protonmail for my domain emails. but will look into e/os/ and fair phone when this iphone dies. the other things i’ll look into, too! (i dont so much care abt photos but it couldnt hurt to keep them backed up, i reckon )
I wouldn't bother with the mobile devices so much.
Google is deeply embedded in the zionist entity. It has multiple subdivisions located there, deep ties to their intelligence apparatus (and to the US intelligence apparatus) Jumping from paying apple $1000 for a phone to paying Google $1000 for a phone that you install another OS on doesn't really help IMO and is like jumping from a boiling pot into the deep fryer next to it.
Don't buy Mac computers, don't buy Apple accessories, don't buy in iTunes, and limit app store purchases where feasible. That and putting up some stickers/posters or making more people aware of this complicity to hit Apple even a little in the pocket will do more than switching phone ecosystems like that.
yeah when it comes to large corps there is (usually) no escape its ties to zionism. :/
I have never seen the need to purchase anything on any "app store", be it Apple or Google Play.
welcome to my world. lol
google's "dont be evil" motto suckered me in during the early 2000's and now i'm so quagmiresd in it that i can't find a single path for all of it.
atleast graphene for me will be slightly easier since i've mostly used android this entire time -- idk what iphone users will do.
NAS + linux everything
best thing you can do is keep using whatever device you have right now until it dies
I guess a second hand pixel with Graphene os maybe?
I assume you wouldn't have to worry much about it. Except for google shenanigans w.r.t. third party app stores.
Same. It is, what it is. You can’t fight in all wars. It is also okay to just be conscious and informed about it. No one wins if you try to fight everything and die because of exhaustion.
Your comment along with your username, feels like an appro case of nominative determinism.