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ST: Generations and TNG s2e15 "Q Who"

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[–] rozodru@piefed.world 11 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

I didn't watch much of Enterprise but weren't the Borg in that also?

Also both Cochrane and his assistant Lily knew of the Borg prior the first warp flight.

so at the very least in 3 different occasions the Federation/Starfleet would have known that the Borg existed but just decided to keep those cards close to their chests?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

yes, but they were made an unamed species, eventhough we already know. and they were canonizing the fact the borg from tng recieved the signal that was sent during enterprises time period 200 years ago to the delta quadrant.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

They mentioned somewhere that Cochrane in old age talked about cyborgs, but everyone thought he went nuts.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Sloane had about 45 minutes worth of traumatic interaction with the Borg while also dealing with all the futuristic stuff Picardy dumped on her and Cochrane's was seemingly just ramblings from an elderly alcoholic. I'd doubt anyone from the future left them with detailed intelligence files on the Borg.

Then 50 years later a remote outpost finds something but kinda gets wiped out with only some hearsay from a couple officers. Fledging Starfleet may not have even connected the dotted-line.

But did B-era Guinan even know if it was the Borg who attacked her planet? Or could it just be massive starships just showed up and started wiping out her planet and only long after the fact was it proven to be Borg?

[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, I think it’s an open question as to when Starfleet knew about the Borg.

It actually seems totally reasonable to me that the reports about strange cybernetic beings from Cochrane’s, and later Archer’s, time might not necessarily get connected to the El Aurian refugees or Picard’s first encounter with a cube.

After all, the old reports from 150 years ago, from TNG’s point of view, only happened due to temporal shenanigans and would probably have been super-duper classified.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

My people encountered them a century ago. They destroyed our cities. They scattered my people throughout the galaxy. They're called the Borg. Protect yourself, Captain, or they'll destroy you.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yeah, but after the rescue and all the survivors being debriefed by Starfleet, did they outright say "it's a massive hive-mind of cybernetic organisms called the Borg who assimilate entire civilizations and can adapt in minutes to any attack you throw at it"? Or "a large invading force showed up, we don't know who they are or where they came from"

[–] phx@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

They usually give the whole "you will be assimilated" spiel beforehand but hard to say if that would be something that the common folks would know or only world leaders

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I dont recall any Borg in ENT and I just finished it a couple weeks ago

Edit: i wrong

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

s2e23 "Regeneration"

I think the report on them gets buried or dismissed.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Oh damn you right, I forgot about that one

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 4 points 13 hours ago

You were probably too distracted by an exciting game of water polo.