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I got laughed at and called paranoid and alarmist before Trump was re-elected when I talked about project 2025 and how terrifying it was.
One day in the summer before the election I had an interaction at work with a member of the public. An older white gentleman from a conservative area that has a lot of racists. He started talking to me and bringing the conversation around to politics, and I was mentally bracing myself to grit my teeth and remain professional. He told me how he was a lifelong Christian and then he surprised the living fuck out of me. He actually teared up and asked if I had heard of Project 2025. When I told him I had he said that it scared him so badly, that they were laying out how they wanted to oppress and kill his fellow Americans just because they were different and he was terrified that it was going to be enacted and that he didn't believe in any of that and wanted to stand up against it and would not vote for it.
I think about him every once in awhile and wish we had more people like him in this country.
I wish more people understood that there are good Christians out there. I'm not christian myself but one of my best friends is. And not one of those who just say they are but don't follow any of it. He goes to church every week, waited until marriage and spent one year after high school studying theology full time. And he is one of the nicest people I know. One of his best friends is a trans woman who lives in a polycule and he has no problem with it.
The worst Christians are the ones who don't listen to their own scripture. It litteraly says right in the new testament, dozens of times, that you shouldn't judge. Judgment is a sin.
They're not good Christians
They're good people despite Christianity
Exactly this
being a decent human being and being religious are basically perpendicular axes. you can be both, or neither, or either or.
some people really go out of their way to make the lives of others miserable, religious beliefs notwithstanding. the local motorbike school recently had to move their training away from an emergency wartime airfield because a nearby farmer dumped like 40 tons of of earth on it. it's not his land, it's state-owned, and it's in the middle of the woods. nobody lives within several km. he just didn't want people there.
Next up: dirt bike training!!!🤪
Well, they were trained to be good slaves
The problem is that the"good christians" still prioritize fighting against abortion #1, and #2 fighting against lbgtqia policies, marriage, etc. Those are THE most important things to them.
I contend that the truly devout should rather denounce their religion so as to not provide cover for monsters who pretend in vain to be something they are not.
But that's very reductive of me as well, I'm sure it does enough good in some way, but I find it hard to believe in any sort of invisible almighty benevolent figure that has all the power in the universe, and yet we live in a world where if they were real, I couldn't help but think they are cruel at best.
It's literally one of their ten commandments (using the Lord's name in vain). They changed the meaning of it to mean "don't say Jesus Christ out loud" it's so fucking stupid.
Brain isn't parsing religious not-piece-of-shit. I know they have existed, but it feels like in the modern context it just doesn't work.
Oh my God fuck off with your imaginary friend.
You really don't think LGBTQ affirming Christians exist? That's just ignorance on your part. Just search LGBTQ affirming churches and you'll find thousands around the world.
I don't give a fuck lol. Adults who believe in an imaginary fairy in the sky shouldn't be allowed to vote lol.
People who don't understand that religious rules are only for people that really care about the religion. Even most practicing religious folks aren't fully Orthodox
One thing that every single person of faith has in common is that they're hypocrites
This is exactly what broke me. Idgaf about the world anymore. Clear as day plans to fuck everything up, destroy the planet, economically genocide the poor. Nobody in power did shit about it and voters elected them anyways. No amount of being right matters when people refuse to see the obvious. The only way to get people to act, wisely or not, is to manipulate them into it and so here we are. The most propagandized, misinformed and manipulated population in human history.
They're kept perpetually angry just because it keeps them from thinking clearly.
Literally, manipulated into navigating life while being incapable of utilizing their own intelligence because anger shuts down parts of the brain and narrows focus.
Idk, p sure North Korea is more propagandized, misinformed, and manipulated. Not to say shit isn't bad here. But at least there is some resistance to it. Mamdani didn't get elected because people are ok with just sleeping through it, after all. Sure, it might be too little, too late. But we have at least a fighting chance still.
I would argue not, North Korea doesn't produce the volume of messaging we do or deliver it as often or in so many spaces of our lives as we do. NK propaganda is state organized and pervasive but its got the sophistication of a previous age of mass media, closer to WW2. Our media landscape is an insanely powerful tool of manipulation.
I feel both glad and bad for the ones like that who seem to follow the intent of Jesus' message, however I also remember that it's because of their silent acceptances of the vocal ones who are full of hate and racism that allow it to continue. If they won't rise up against blatant twisting of their religion, nothing will change. They should tear up, but then be in their church rallying against the use of their religion for political gain. You know, the whole reason behind church/state separation.
Right, silent acceptance. Hence the example you responded to of a Christian speaking up to a stranger and expressing his disdain for the evil being wrought by other “Christians.”
I don't understand where you get this feeling of silent acceptance. If there is something Christians are known for it's inter-christian conflict. Conservative christians absolutely despise liberal Christians and vice versa. If you spend some time in online christian spaces you will quickly see how conservative christians spend almost as much time bashing liberal Christians as they spend on ethnic or sexual minorities, if not more so depending on the space.
That's sort of my point. I don't see any of that outside of the inner spaces, and the loudest voices give an image that this is how all Christians are. If within Christian circles there is a constant argument going on about what is and isn't "Christ-like" then great, but it's not helping if that isn't obvious in public. The very post I replied to was in the framework of "a Christian spoke about what's going on and was opposed to it" as if that is an unusual thing to hear. It shouldn't be, I'm sure there are a lot of believers who aren't happy, but they aren't talking loud enough to counter or drown out the ones who are all for it.
Okay but... do you believe everything that Donald Trump says? Like how he represents all Americans, or Republicans/conservatives, or Christians, or whoever? If you believe that, and also believe those like Charlie Kirk, then doesn't that say more about you than about them?
It is extremely well-known that for-profit enshittified news sources will spew enrage-bait content into your face. That does not make such content "true facts", nor does it make it "mainstream". Please do not rely upon Facebook, Threads, Tiktok, Instagram, X, or even YouTube, etc. for your "news" - they all paint a highly distorted view of reality.
Hate, love, or view Christians as they are, not as social media paints them to be. Likewise Americans. Or Muslims, or LBGTQIA+ individuals, etc. Perhaps mainstream Christians may even be avoiding social media altogether?
We do, they're scared and isolated