edit because I am getting pushback at Germany being at fault here, here is some context.
During the past months, Palestine solidarity protesters in Berlin have been reportedly subjected to police violence, leaving some injured and requiring medical care. Dozens were reportedly arrested, some for simply chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”. This slogan is widely used by the global Palestine solidarity movement yet has been treated by German authorities as expressing support for Hamas, the experts noted. While some courts upheld fines or bans deeming the slogan as “condoning violence”, other courts recognised it as protected under freedom of expression. Moreover, the experts expressed concern that, during protests marking the two-year anniversary of the 7 October Hamas-led attack and the subsequent genocide in Gaza, arbitrary arrests, detentions, and police violence were reported, including officers punching non-violent activists in the face; while the police in Berlin reportedly imposed a last-minute ban on protests without evidence-based justification.
In February, Berlin police ordered that speeches and slogans at a Palestinian solidarity demonstration be conveyed in German and English only. When protesters chanted in Hebrew and Arabic at a demonstration on 8 February, the protest was immediately violently dispersed by police.
In March, at a peaceful protest in Berlin, a woman was repeatedly hit in the face and on the head by a police officer. Similar violence by police officers was documented during protests on Nakba Day as well as at the Internationalist Queer Pride event in Berlin in July.
In February, the Christian Democratic Union Party led a parliamentary inquiry into the financing of civil society organizations. The inquiry consisted of 551 questions, aimed at assessing the political neutrality of state-funded organizations, particularly those campaigning against racism and for migrant rights. It thereby put such organizations under general suspicion.
On 20 March, the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled as unlawful the use of pain-compliance holds by the police to remove peaceful climate protesters from a previously dispersed gathering.
In March, the Berlin immigration authorities notified four foreign – EU and US – nationals of the termination of their residency status due to their involvement in student protests in support of Palestinians in 2024. None were convicted of any criminal charges. Leaked correspondence indicated that the Berlin Ministry of the Interior had pressured the immigration authorities to deport the four. All the cases were successfully challenged in preliminary proceedings and the deportations temporarily halted.
In May, following a Nakba commemoration protest, the Berlin Police claimed that an officer had been seriously injured at the hands of demonstrators. This allegation was used by police spokespeople, the mayor and the federal minister of interior to demand new police powers against protesters acting in solidarity with Palestinians. However, an independent investigation later discovered that the police officer had injured himself while beating protesters.
On 26 November the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled that the dissolution of a pro-Palestine conference in 2024 had been unlawful.
A state that grounds its legitimacy in universalizable norms cannot coherently say that the burdens produced by its special responsibility to Jews may simply fall on those who happened to live in the territory where the Jewish homeland was established—a land Jews had long regarded as their ancestral home. To avoid offloading the costs of its own past to others, Germany bears not only general human-rights duties to Palestinians, but also particular duties of non-complicity, protection, and repair toward them.
At this stage, I find these broader implications of the German responsibility toward Israel insufficiently reflected in German politics, and painfully so. But generational changes seem to be in the process of changing German attitudes in this direction.
So let's correct the headline to:
There is no right of a state to exist, only of a people to exist.
No god, no masters. States are a tool for repression.
The Israeli government is fascist and the German government is complicit in genocide. Speak up! Speak out against the Nakba, against fascism, and for liberation of all people from apartheid, reactionarism, and hatred!
It also must be emphasized that saying "Israel has no fundamental right to exist" does not mean that jews living in Israel do not have a right to exist, or live in Israel, what it means is that the theological/ethnic identity of the COUNTRY of Israel that brutally excludes the humanity of others (including christians) living in Israel who aren't jews, has no special right to exist as a political mechanism.
Countries are political constructions, they have no right to exist and they do not represent the identity of the people who live in said countries. People, countries and religion are THREE DISCRETE CONCEPTS.
Somehow I doubt you wanna tell us that palestine has no fundamental right to exist.
As Palestine is a political entity/governing body, yes it has no special right to exist the same way human beings have a special universal right to exist, have a special right to freedom and a special right to be meaningfully represented in the power structures they are enclosed within. These rights extend to Palestinians, Jews and everybody else.
A country is not a living creature, humans are living creatures.
Ok, at least you are consistent, I'll give you that.
No one should be supporting terrorism by Hamas against Israeli civilians (from the quote it sounds like that is the position of an individual rather than the group at large), just as no one should be supporting Israeli terrorism against Palestinian civilians.
In terms of the second point, pointing out that Israel is a settler colonial state is anti-Zionist, not antisemitic; the issue of Northern Ireland falls into the same category.
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves against genocide. Would you also say Jews in a ww2 concentration camp that attacked nazi guards are also wrong?
Note that I said civilians; there's nothing wrong with targeted operations against IDF soldiers or defending against settler attacks.
Almost everyone in Israel is/was/will be in the IDF. The IDF shoots doctors, paramedics, journalists, unarmed Palestinians, and shoots children in the head. Plus of course the starvation of everyone in Palestine.
The IDF murdering Palestinian civilians does not justify the murder of Israeli civilians, even those with relatives in the IDF, just as the reverse is not justified on Israel's part in the context of its retribution for the October 7 attacks.
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from genocide and a constant barrage of war crimes. It isn’t for me or for you to dictate what form that takes. If Israel hadn’t been the most evil country for decades you might have a point. Plus there is evidence that Israe itself contributed to Israeli deaths. Plus the claim that there was no IDF there doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
War criminals can be held accountable without committing atrocities against civilians. The Nuremberg Trials held leading Nazis accountable for the crimes of the nation without holding each and every civilian accountable for crimes they were not themselves involved in committing at any point in the chain of command.
Just as the Holocaust justified neither Zionist settlement of Palestine nor enforcement of territorial claims through ethnic cleansing and genocide, genocide perpetuated against the Palestinian people by the Israeli government does not justify retributive violence against Israeli civilians. Engaging in such violence against Israeli civilians only serves to strengthen Israel's position internationally to the detriment of Palestine.
Always defending Israel. Stop talking Zionist. Israel has killed more than 700,000 since Oct 7th. Tough to know since Israel killed all those that kept count. Most of those are indirect deaths due to starvation. But sure, keep going on about how Palestine is wrong genocidal Nazi.
I'm not a Zionist, if you'd had read my comments clearly; the Palestinian people deserve a state of their own.
Those keeping count of the Palestinian death toll are still keeping count, and the official figure as enumerated by Hamas (and viewed as reliable by the UN) was 73,001 as of June. In addition, 173,200 were enumerated as wounded.
Israeli violence against Palestinians far outweighs the violence committed by Hamas against Israelis, but it remains important to cite verifiable figures, not glorify violence against civilians, and focus efforts on holding the war criminals in the Israeli government accountable for their crimes. Israel is in the wrong, but the mass murder of Israeli civilians is neither a viable nor acceptable solution.
Nope, this is your bias speaking
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's usually a duck. Just because you are agreeing with these incredibly obvious, outspoken and unashamed terrorist supporters and antisemites, this doesn't mean they are not terrorist supporters and antisemites. If anyone should examine themselves and their biases, it's you.
I think what's happening here is that a long time ago, you learned that being an antisemite is a bad thing - and you obviously can't be a bad thing - but you never actually learned what makes it bad, which is why you are failing to comprehend this situation.
Where is your evidence of antisemitism?
Support of openly antisemitic terrorists.
This is all you have to go on!???
You are clearly not even trying to argue in good faith. This isn't a triviality, it's more than enough to ban a group and persecute its members under German law.
First I re-emphasize this.
Second does calling it a "successful resistance action" mean the person/people believed it was a moral or ethical?
Words matter here.
Maybe it's indeed my bias from knowing such "pro-palestine" people attacking jews that aren't supportive of Israel's pseudo-fascism at all.
Oh, wait. That's also just openly demonstrated antisemitism dressed as support for Palestine.
You aren't even making a clear and coherent enough argument for me to respond to.
The argument is extremely clear. People attacking Jews because they are Jews, outside of Israel and ones that are opposing Israel's actions, too, are in fact antisemitic. That doesn't change because they dress their antisemitism up as being "pro Palestine".
Or: It shouldn't change the fact but somehow does in your brain. Which is the reason you can't perceive arguments as clear or coherent anymore when the underlying facts don't match you world view. Cognitive dissonance in action...