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[–] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you don't understand how social services work.

Making contraceptives more accessible does in fact reduce pregnancy . There is a ton of research on this.

Secondly, making adoption more socially acceptable and easier would encourage people to adopt.

Cultural ideas and misconceptions about children often make people discount this adoption both as an option for persons giving up baby and potential parents who could adopt.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those are not solutions to overconsumption. There has to be some kind of limit. People have to learn they can't exploit the planet and other people indefinitely.

It's like adding more lanes to a congested highway. It provides temporary relief but none of the needed changes. Fewer people is not a solution for climate inaction at all.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay I don't think you understand that big problems are complex and involve many aspects of human behavior.

Will a lower population magically fix everything? No.

But in combination with other changes it will.

It doesn't matter how efficient we get at reusing materials , or creating less waste. Ultimately, more humans will cancel out those gains.

Both are needed.

Less humans and more sustainable actions.

The only reason to increase our population is to create more people for capitalism to use and discard.

More young men fed to wars. Their lives worthless and short.

The only people saying we need more bodies are the people wanting to use those bodies for their own gain.

Capitalism oligarchs. Exploitation. And fueling the war machine.

The earth is finite.

It's about time we acknowledge this.

We can't grow indefinitely.

The ecosystem cannot support nor absorb our waste production.

It's illogical and naive to assume in the near future someone will just figure out how to make it so humans create zero pollution and waste.. so no point in doing anything about it now.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Those are all great arguments for limiting consumption. I think not having children is of a different order, though. I think pressure to not have children is morally different from pressure to reduce consumption. Not having children will cause certain groups to disappear and that prospect will be exploited.

Like I said, it's always "them" who will be asked to stop having children, never "us". And the rich and/or powerful will keep having children anyway without any accountability. But mostly it's fascism In worried about. Once we say fewer children is the solution, they will hear they don't have to reduce consumption as long as those pesky minorities don't create more rivals in their Mad Max world of all against all

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Nothing I suggested targets specific nations or ethnicities.

Change is inevitable.
We can't preserve everything forever.

We especially can't use that as an excuse to not do anything about the problem of stripping this world of every natural resource and expanding populations until nothing is left.

Why is giving people access to contraceptives, safe abortions, and adoption so horrible?

I honestly don't see why anyone thinks this would be harmful.
Let people choose. Let people have options.

Forcing pregnancies on people who don't want them from a lack of contraceptive access, or safe abortions. or pushing the narrative that a child is only yours if it has your genetics is outdated.

These things are harmful. Not the suggestions I made.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

It will not stay voluntary if you keep presenting this as a solution to climate change.