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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My concern is that, as I said, they lied to me and I believed them. My first logic and critical thinking class was in freshman college, where I learned that media literacy is about checking multiple sources that don't like each other very much. The facts that are consistent between them are most likely the actual facts. I was the sucker who got owned by the indoctrination system.

Media literacy became super important in the aughts during the George W. Bush administration. The White House started giving preferential treatment to correspondents that covered only approved stories and kept the US in a positive light. (It marked the beginning of the end of free journalism within news agencies) Foreign sources started covering the extrajudicial torture programs and the use of PMCs in Iraq and the International War on Terror. It became really important for Americans to cross examine sources to determine for themselves what was really going on.

Today, it creeps me out to hear kids talk about the 9/11 attacks, the Iraq war and the international war on terror, and cite as fact details where I distinctly remember otherwise.

In the present era, we have huge swaths of Americans in FOX News silos, since FOX, like an abusive domestic partner, encourages its viewership to cut off all other sources. We need to be teaching media literacy in grade school. We should be teaching how to use the internet as a tool and not a substitute for social interaction.

When the US proscribed alcohol consumption from 18 years to 21 years, the rate of alcohol related crime and DUIs didn't change, rather they just got older, and more people were imprisoned for it because they were old enough to know better (allegedly). If we cut off internet access to kids until they're 18, or even the current proposals to raise the age from 13 to 16, it only means kids will be less experienced and less prepared at a later age.

And kids who are diverse, and fit outside the white, straight, normal mainstream, presently are utilizing resources on the internet to help them cope in a society that doesn't like deviance very much. These resources literally save lives.

I think an education system that actually took itself seriously, and intended to teach kids in good faith will be able to not only handle kids having internet access, but will be able to integrate its use into education, better preparing children for adulthood.

But also, as I said, I am an outlier. I'm neurodivergent and I'm queer, so I do not have the pulse of the children of the US. In the way I assume not all men are in concurrence with the manosphere, I also submit not all children are daft and need to be taught in single syllables without distractions. If they are, we should get rid of school sports leagues. I suspect more kids would benefit from internet access and robust training in media literacy (including social media savvy) than would be aided by a device ban in school (or by age-gating social media).

Note: There are actual studies about the harms social media has on kids, and the scientific consensus is that harms are significantly less than what is being claimed to promote age verification. It's looking a lot like the same moral panic that occurred about video games, violent movies and television. But then big social media companies like Facebook, X and Google would enjoy the reduction in competition from smaller sights that would result from an AV mandate, hence they are lobbying to mandate locking up the internet.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

I was the sucker who got owned by the indoctrination system.

Unfortunately, as a young moldable mind, you probably would have been owned faster and harder by the unregulated internet than any school teacher ever could.

important for Americans to cross examine sources

It always was. The difference for Bush Jr was that Americans could pull up Al Jazerra, RT, and directly chat with all kinds of people all over the globe - so the press had to start pressing harder. Back with Bush Sr in Kuwait, I had a friend from Jordan who spent his evenings listening to his short-wave to get "real news" about what was going on back home - what he heard was apparently a lot more accurate and complete than what we got from TV. It has always been like that, since forever.

cite as fact details where I distinctly remember otherwise.

The "facts" on the internet evolve over time. My favorite to repeat is, God rest his soul, Scott Adams' case of ideopathic aphasia - he lost much of his ability to speak (probably a mini-stroke, definitely some kind of brain damage) - he blogged about it openly, candidly, it was an engaging story. Then a few years later he underwent a rather strong shift of political outlook he felt he had "worked hard for all his money and shouldn't be forced to share any of it" - his touchy feely sharing about his brain damage was expunged from the web (to the best of his ability, which, with all that money he worked so hard for, was pretty effective)... but he can't erase the thousands of memories of people who read his writings at the time.

We need to be teaching media literacy in grade school.

My parents were teachers from the 1970s through the 2010s... my father crusaded to spread the teaching of critical thinking, he did his part, made a difference as much as anyone, but he was on the losing side through those decades. Maybe things will turn around someday, they usually do go in cycles.

utilizing resources on the internet to help them cope in a society that doesn’t like deviance very much.

If anything has deluded you into the idea that deviance is more persecuted today than it was in the past, you have been fed a whopper of a lie. Again, back through my personal knowledge of the 1970s, the open racism, LGBQT intolerance, etc. that was widely practiced back then makes what goes around today look like playtime.

I’m neurodivergent and I’m queer

Go around saying that openly in the 1970s, you wouldn't get far in most US towns before being beaten into a multi-week hospital stay, or worse.

I suspect more kids would benefit from internet access

I suspect a large part of our current troubles come from "the masses" having internet access, because that gives the internet access to them, and through that we got Cambridge Analytica, and much much more...

robust training in media literacy

Nice sentiment, but the who exactly is going to teach them? I think this is actually a big motivator in the destruction of the US education system.

than would be aided by a device ban in school (or by age-gating social media).

Yeah, I don't think those are helping anything either - more symptomatic of yet another authoritarianism flex.