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[–] TransNeko@lemmy.world 1 points 9 minutes ago

Cell Phone bans hold up great until a school shooting happens and no one can call for help... then it's all: "why didn't anyone call for help", "phone bans are dangerous to our kids", "the trans kids are to blame", "bitch bitch bitch transphobic bitching etc etc etc".

And considering it's America... School shootings are basically the Republican legally required National pastime. -- Republicans actually get boners thinking about all the dead kids and they even get extra horny thinking about all the ways they can blame those deaths on LGBTQ+ folk... despite the fact that most school shooters lean towards right wing extremist philosophies... if you can even call pure evil incarnate a philosophy.

[–] Vitaly_Chernobyl@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago

I teach middle school in a state with a cell phone ban. We had our first year with the phone ban last year, and I thought it was an improvement.

Phones can be very detrimental to the school experience. For one, it is very difficult to teach kids who are already unwilling or resistant to learning while they have a piece of technology they are literally addicted to in their hand. Secondly, phones and social media contribute to a lot to the bullying, violence, and general misbehavior that occurs at schools.

My school district also provides all students with an iPad, so they have their own school-provided tech. In my experience, this comes with their own problems though. I often feel like I am playing "whack-a-mole" keeping kids off their iPads (playing games, etc.) during instruction. It's nice to be able to incorporate technology into lessons, and it definitely is more convenient for teaching, but I don't think the trade off is worth it. For example, the cheating with A.I. was off the charts for me last year.

This coming school year, I am looking to incorporate more paper and pencil assignments into my teaching. A lot of my students seem to favor assignments where they aren't using their iPads. I think most agree that these kids' eyeballs need a break from the screens.

Also, to people with concerns about the phone ban, students are allowed to bring their phone to school. My state's law states that the phone must be turned off and in the student's backpack during instructional hours. Students may be on their phone at school before and after classes start. In the event of an emergency, no one is going to care if the students get their phone out their bag to call their adult. So, kids will retain access to their phone. In fact, most of the students carry their phones around in the pocket and none of the teachers generally care as long as the student isn't blatantly using their phone during class time. If a kid is caught using their phone during class time, they have to turn it in to the main office for the remainder of the day will escalating consequences for repeat offenses.

Also, I'm sure it varies from teacher to teacher, but I am very understanding when a kid needs to contact a parent/guardian. I will always allow my students to use the phone in my classroom, call a parent from the main office, or use their cell phone in the hall as long as the kid asks permission and explains the situation.

[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 1 points 43 minutes ago

Had a friend in the most expensive private school in my area. They had phones banned over a decade ago already.

Probably because richer parents have more mental bandwidth to worry about children's digital footprint and neural development rather than survival.

Thus I believe extending this ban to public schools is only fair. Distraction-free and surveillance-free environment for children shouldn't be a luxury reserved for few.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Y'all need to go read /r/teachers to learn what a scourge phones in classrooms are. The teachers are begging for an outright ban.

[–] Vitaly_Chernobyl@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

That subreddit paints a realistic picture of what it's like being a teacher, but I find it overly negative. While there are a myriad of reasons why education in the U.S. is in a bad place, there are also a lot of fulfilling and heartwarming moments to being a teacher that don't get brought up over there.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

Right. Probably correct

[–] BandDad@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I live and teach in a state that implemented a ban. Results after year one were marginal improvement. Many just did the "hiding" trick more than before. A number didn't think we'd notice them hunched over whispering to their watches. It was rather comical when they would do that.

I propose we build all new school buildings as giant Faraday cages.

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, are phones conducive to learning? If not then forbid their usage at school and bloody enforce it. I think the fact phones became common place for kids so quickly and so early in their lives coupled with just the general insanity of American schools so often being under attack, the schools have just lost any agency to restrict them given their usage is already rampant.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It's the parents that are the problem. The problem is, when schools try to ban them, parents flip the fuck out. They become apoplectic at the idea of not being able to instantly reach their kids at every hour of the day. A surprising number of parents install tracking apps on their kid's phones. They have them tagged like wild animals under study.

So schools are stuck compromising with unenforceable rules. Instead of banning phones entirely, they'll ban kids from having them out in class. Which of course never works, as the kids just take them out as soon as the teacher turns their back.

[–] Remy@lemmy.today 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

as the kids just take them out as soon as the teacher turns their back

When I was in school the teacher's were sizing the phone if they caught you with it in class and sometimes require your parents to pick them up

[–] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Yup same. Then a few phones went missing, parents threatened to sue because cell phones were insanely expensive back then, and the school told teachers they couldn't do that anymore. 🤷‍♀️

[–] quarkquasar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

It's darkly hilarious that parents are demanding that schools allow their kids to be stupid and the schools are just like "okay, we can't do anything about this."

What's even the point? Shut 'em down if they're not going to enforce any rules.

At that point, it's probably more healthy to send little Bobby down into the mines, at least he won't have time to melt his brain on a screen.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

Imagine a world where teachers weren't geriatric and taught their kids digital literacy instead of digital luddism.

I mean, shit, homework was invented as a fucking punishment and so many studies have shown it has diminishing returns after a certain age. Yet here we are, perpetuating a system designed explicitly for controlling kids - not teaching them.

But yeah, phones are the problem. The internet is the problem. Definitely not how kids are taught to interact with them, no sir. While we're at it, just get rid of PCs at the school - that way the district can save money on their IT department. They can access social media from the PCs so I don't see the problem.

[–] late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net 2 points 29 minutes ago

Digital literacy doesn't do much when it comes to tech engineered to hook you and grab your attention. It bypasses the frontal lobe entirely.

At this point I don't even know anyone who managed to use something like Instagram "occasionally" or in controlled manner. It's way too addictive for this, and usage spirals out of control pretty fast.

I do agree with you generally though, schools should only use evidence-based interventions or none at all, no exceptions. In healthcare rolling out a drug without randomized control trial would be called heresy.

But when government does it, it makes it mandatory for all kids immediately, and then ignores increasing pile of evidence how it's bad for decades

[–] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 hours ago

I don't blame the teachers, I blame the system. I know too many teachers who have been yelled at by admin for daring to teach in a way the kids can learn because it's "not what you're supposed to teach, stick to the curriculum."

[–] heh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It’s tough.

Kids are going to use their phones for random bullshit in class no matter what if they are allowed, but phones in general can be a fantastic learning tool used in the classroom.

I wonder if we might eventually see schools distribute phones like they do laptops, even though that in itself is rare. It would allow the school to lock them down during school hours. Maybe include some option to buy out the phone/number when a student leaves.

A common complaint of not allowing phones is that students can’t contact their parents quickly in an emergency or vice versa. A locked down phone with “emergency contacts” fixes that issue.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I, too, am generally in favor of virtuously-sounding limitations placed upon demographics I am not a part of and never will be.

[–] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 2 points 1 hour ago

But a demographic they all were and most will one day not be. Yes, there are overly parented kids; and yes our system makes the stair step function of responsibility incredibly steep. But there will be plenty of time for scrolling and phones, screens in general in classrooms are not the curl all we thought they were.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

My kid is not going to the murder factory without a phone. I'd be happy to scream at someone in a room over it. Guarantee my kid's safety or they're bringing a phone.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Not to be a jackass but what will their phone help with in this supposed murder factory? If ur so worried about a shooter or something, it's not like the phone puts them in an invincibility bubble or something.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Exactly. In these situations, the exact last thing schools want is a bunch of parents showing up to try and get their kids out. It sucks for the parents, but it's one of those situations where by trying to help their kid, they're putting a lot of other children in danger. If a bunch of parents run into a building with a shooter and escort their kids out, now you have the nightmare scenario of trying to track down scores of kids that have gone who knows where. Plus now there are more people running around the building who the police may mistake for the shooter. Oh, and a good number of these parents would want to show up with guns of their own. Now you have multiple random armed people running around the school.

You do not want parents running into the scene of an active school shooting.

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

IDK man how could having 300 portable, accessible ways to call 911 in a shooter emergency possibly help in that moment?

C'mon guys help me figure out this MENSA-level brain-twister.

You do realize there are wall phones in every classroom, and each teacher can carry their own cell phone, do you not? You're talking about dozens of people who have the ability to call 911. Past a certain point all you're doing is saturating the 911 line and preventing ambulances and fire trucks from getting to other unrelated emergencies.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Ah yes, let's flood the 911 lines with panicked kids and then their parents too. Making sure no other emergencies can call 911. Isn't it great every single other type of emergency a person can have will magically be put on hold until the school situation is cleared up...

Oh, and there's going to be some kids who will think they need to give regular updates, so they'd likely put themselves in danger in order to "just help"

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Having students alert 911 in that situation is insane. Their priority should be either running away or hiding, neither of which is helped by getting on a phone call. If that's the point hire someone whose job is 100% just doing that and make everyone safer for it.

[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How else are the kids going to call a waymo to get away?

[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

Do I need the ./s?

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

He can call me and I can come help. It's not much, but it's something that gives me peace of mind a little bit.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not the be that prick, but how? If there's an active shooter, you're not bulletproof just because you're a parent. Or are you storming in and going to start shooting yourself? Really curious what your plan is.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

My plan is to get any kids I find out, that's all I can do. Doubt I'd bring a weapon, way too high a chance I'd hit a friendly target instead.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Can we just ban them in general? We used to be a proper society and had our phones on the kitchen walls with 25ft cords.

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[–] rounding_error@lemmy.today -2 points 6 hours ago

Headline: Americans support a measure that won't fix anything and sounds good on paper

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