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What happens if she puts on a skirt in the morning because she wants attention, but then at lunchtime an alt-right podcaster sexually assaults her, and then in the afternoon she's still in the skirt even though she's currently feeling traumatized and completely repulsed by any and all sexual attention?
Many such cases!
I'll take straw man for $500. Alex. I can see what you're trying to do here and it just doesn't work.
It would require us to agree that said person in a skirt be it man or woman does not have the autonomy to make their own choices on where they are or going.
At Rich point the entire question is moot. They're literally being forced against their will to do something they don't want to do. And that's a whole different can of worms.
Cuz any reasonable person would have gone back home or somewhere safe to either change, hide or do something to remove themselves from that problem that they're feeling vulnerable from if they have the option.
You cannot argue that someone is assaulted and traumatized more than likely will willingly choose to remain in the situation in which their trauma just occurred. Cuz no one will do that of their own free will.
In your 'what if' scenario the victim should be taken care of and away from trying to work or interact with the public in that manner.
Unless the victim doesn't think it's as bad as we do and they are fine with the attention afterwards. Either way that's probably their choice. Stop taking away their choice.
What if she's taking the train home so she can go watch The Good Place and cry and hug her husband? And what if I'm also taking the train, and I end up on the escalator behind her?
You are mixing two things here. Staring is not assaulting. This thread here is about staring. Regarding sexual (or other physical) assault: anyone can be physically assaulted regardless of their gender or age. Nothing justifies it, but wearing or behaving provocatively blurs the boundaries. I won't go deep into the details of human psycho-sexual intricacies, because this isn't a place for this, and also, judging by the number of downvotes, I see that this topic might be too difficult for some individuals to comprehend.
Or maybe its not as clean cut you make it out to be. I respect your decision to not talk this out in this forum but 'they stupid' is a very $choose your adjective response.
I think you misunderstood Me. I'm talking about if I, a random stranger who doesn't know anything about your wife's story, happens to stare at her ass the afternoon after she was sexually assaulted by an alt-right podcaster. Cause unless she went home to get changed, she's still gonna be in her sexy outfit. So she could be feeling horrible and not want any attention, but I wouldn't know it. And I might stare at her butt, because you said it's okay and I don't know what happened earlier.
I don't want to come off as agreeing with the other poster, but this argument is so awful that I can't just ignore it.
What if the assaulter was tall? Am I supposed to slouch all day everyday? Am I literally not allowed to exist because there are horrible people in the world of varying height?
I'm gonna be honest with you, chief: I'm gay and I love boobies and butts. I stare all the time. I try to do it in a way that doesn't cause discomfort, but if I'm behind a nice ass on the stairs, I'm gonna enjoy the view.
The only part of the above argument that I'm interested in debunking is the idea that clothes are consent. Since clothes can't always be changed, clothes as a form of consent is difficult to revoke. And any consent that can't be revoked isn't legitimate.