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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's a circular definition: the Labour government passed laws that defined Palestine Action as terrorists so therefore they are terrorist because the courts said they fit the description of the laws.

The other thing that you seem to have forfeited is a sense of proportionality. So, if you want to go around declaring yourself ...a "terrorist sympathizer", don't let me stop you. I'll keep on insisting that Palestine Action should have never been proscribed in the first place. All of the craziness follows from that first moment of Labour stupidity and overreach.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok, that's fair. For me the definition used for the proscription doesn't sound like something tailor made to fit Palestine Action nor does it look like a tool for squashing dissidents. I would say that is a group of people operated covertly to intimidate businesses supporting Palestine (for example damaging businesses providing relief to Palestine and hosting a map with targets, encouraging people to do the same) I wouldn't hesitate to call that terrorism. I think it's fine if you're worried about being called a "terrorist sympathizer". I don't really mind that. Palestine Action is committing crimes to achieve their goals and I'm not going to pretend they don't.

[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You might want to read the judgement then, because Johnson has a very different understanding - he very specifically names the Suffragettes as not being terrorists, despite their use of public and personal bombings and arson attacks to intimidate and influence policy. The law is not being applied equally, it is being used as a bludgeon against those who oppose genocide.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I did read it:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/R-v-Charlotte-Head-and-others-sentencing-remarks.pdf

I don't have that much time so I read the justification for terrorist connection aggravating factor and it's exactly what I said here. I don't see anything about Suffragettes in there. Can you point me to the part that talks about it?

[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, rereading I was completely unclear about which case I was refering to, and got my conflicts of interest mixed up - I meant the proscription judgement (https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewca/civ/2026/721?query=AMMORI&court=ewca%2Fciv) and Johnson wasn't on this panel, his judgement is just based on it. The Suffragettes actions are specifically brought up as "civil disobedience" rather than "direct action", which is a distinction the proscription kinda hinges on.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 18 hours ago

Ok, I read it and

he very specifically names the Suffragettes as not being terrorists, despite their use of public and personal bombings and arson attacks to intimidate and influence policy.

Yes, it's a bad argument but it's bad from historical point of view, not legal one. I don't find misrepresenting Suffragettes invalidates the proscription.

That being said, obviously the government and courts are more eager to proscribe a leftist, anti-Israel organization than they would be a right wing one. I'm not claiming Palestine Action is wrong and the proscription is 100% justified. I'm just putting things into perspective. This is not illegal action by the government - this is supported by the courts and done according to the laws. The courts are not making things up and ignoring the fundamental principles of the legal process - they are applying the rules as defined by the government. And I'm not saying it makes this ok. I'm just clarifying the misinformation people are spreading here (like that they are sentenced for terrorism without the knowledge of the jury).