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I dont totally know the history here but just to be clear, the Red Army did this no more than the Western allies did correct?

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[–] Tiocfaidhcaisarla@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I want to piggy-back off this, since I got in a wiki-hole last night that found me reading about the Doctor's Plot. Along with Jewish artists being killed, post war Stalin, wiki would have me think, was a truly virulent anti-semite.

Anyone have more info about this that isn't tainted by anti-communist wiki-editors? What actually happened any why? I'm not here to have Stalin's saintly image upheld and the only thing he did wrong was stop at Berlin, but I'm hoping to have a better understanding of this period.

Maybe more importantly, I understand that when people, myself included, defend the USSR, we're not defending it wholesale and uncritically, though against western lies it can seem so, but try to come from a place of understanding the conditions that brought about the decisions that were made, and that in our own post-revolution experience, we wouldn't simply do exactly as the Soviets did, because our own conditions will be drastically different.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My friend who brought me to the ML side of things (i still technically call myself a Luxembourgist but whatever, I'm effectively an ML at this point) told me that the thing with the Doctor's plot is that it was genuinly kind of a legitimate bad on Stalin's part, but it wasn't motivated by genuine antisemitism, just old man paranoia. But idk thats a sourceless claim from a third party I bet someone else will come along with something better.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Espresso Stalinist has their flaws, but they hosted an interesting write-up about it https://espressostalinist.com/2014/08/24/the-doctors-plot/

Riumin's actions seem really suspect throughout the events

edit: oh and here is Bill Bland's book on the topic. https://www.marxists.org/archive/bland/1991/10/doctors-case-death-stalin.pdf

I will say the "rootless cosmopolitanism" campaign is pretty tropey and gross

[–] Tiocfaidhcaisarla@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

That's similar to what I've heard, I hope someone can enlighten us a bit more

[–] P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

From https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm :

Anti-Semitism

January 12, 1931

Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States

In answer to your inquiry :

National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

J. Stalin January 12, 1931

First published in the newspaper Pravda, No. 329, November 30, 1936