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‘They want to break our will’: Gaza flotilla activist tells of rape in Israeli detention
(www.theguardian.com)
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I agree with much of the intent of what you've said, but your revisionist and exceptionally inaccurate history is really going to bias people to ignore you.
The holocaust did not occur in a vacuum and was the culmination of centuries of antisemitic violence across all of Europe, from Western Europe but certainly throughout the Russian empire. In fact, Zionism arose as a capitalist ethnonationalist aligned response to the incredible waves of pogroms that were sweeping through the flailing Russian empire. It's very hard to distinguish this era of European history along tight geographical lines--that is to say, any Eastern European descended Jew, in Israel or elsewhere, almost certainly has a direct family connection with the overall context of the holocaust.
With that said, you are certainly right that an enormous proportion of Israeli Jews, approximately half, are from the middle east. Hell, there are multiple sub-dialects of Arabic associated with these many groups (Judeo-Arabic).
Ultimately, Zionism never justified itself primarily based upon the holocaust because it predates the holocaust by damned near a half century. Obviously, the holocaust and history of pogroms feed significantly into the Zionist narrative, but you have to understand thag Zionism is unquestionably an artifact of the ascendant moment of ethnonationalism that was taking place as the old colonial empires and monarchist systems of power began to fall.
It was also spearheaded by wealthy capitalists. Most of the time time, if the question right now is why is something so fucked up, the answer is "because capitalists."
Maybe you're missed my point: for the Zionists is "Never again to us", not "Never again to anybody".
The way the Holocaust is "remembered" by the Zionists and countries like the US, UK and Germany, is Race-specific, so for example there is no mention of the Roma People who were equally targetted by the NAZIs for extermination, exactly the same as the Jewish People, with a quarter of a million of Romani murdered by the NAZIs.
There is no denial that the Jewish People were a prosecuted minority in most of Europe for literally centuries and in fact the biggest reason for so many Jews to have ended up a Traders and Bankers was exactly because they were not allowed to own land, which was the traditional way to be wealthy in Europe, so the only path open for social progression for a Jewish person was towards what later was called the burgeousie, something which was later twisted into a "reason" to attack Jews in general.
There is also no denial that such is not the case anymore in almost all of Europe and hasn't been for decades. Meanwhile the Roma People keep on being discriminated against.
IMHO, this is the result of going doing the path of a race-specific perspective on the Holocaust (a perspective which, curiously, continues the NAZI mindset that race is the most important thing about somebody) rather that the Humanist which is one of horror and rejection of such things being done to people, any people of any ethnicity and for any reason.
As it so happens, the focus on just the Jewish ethnicity when talking about the Holocaust (a focus you yourself seem to be aping in your post, were you casually forgot the very similar situation for the Roma People, one which, unlike for the Jewish people, still continues to this day - though hopefully that's something you're unwittingly rather than purposefully doing because you're the product of the messaging you grew up with) serves the interests of the white jewish supremacist political ideology called Zionism.
You will notice that a "Never again to anybody" perspective, applies to everything including the Holocaust (and thus, when shaping the way the Holocaust was rememberered, would not forget other groups mass murdered such as the Roma People, the Handicapped or ever the Communists) equally rejects both the NAZI Holocaust and what's fast becoming a new Holocaust, this time commited by the Zionists against those they openly call "vermin".
This is the core of my point: there is The Holocaust, which should HAVE BEEN remembered in all its horror so that such things happen ever again to anybody, and there's the hyper-racialized, narrowly focused view on the Holocaust which upholds the way of looking at people of the NAZIs (as first and foremost race-members), which is the one that the Zionists push and which, sadly, has been adopted in a number of countries and even supported by countless movies (do you know that there are only around 14 films, EVER made, about the plight of the Roma People in the Holocaust - curiously most of which having been made in Hungary?).