So, earlier today I was being unhealthy on youtube, and someone half my age made a HUGE point to tell his audience including me that even if a self-driving Tesla runs a red light, it's the human driver that gets the ticket.

Now...I'm a pilot. I have been since I came in that guy's mom. In the aviation community, we have this concept called Pilot In Command. In the US, this is set into law in 14 CFR 91.3. The pilot in command of an aircraft is fully responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. Not the administrator, not your instructor, not air traffic control, not the President of the United States, not god, the PIC. That concept doesn't exist in driver's ed, but it needs to. We need to teach student drivers about the Driver In Command responsibility.

Too long, didn't process the metaphor: Nobody thinks about anything they do unless the law requires it.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

That concept doesn’t exist in driver’s ed

Well yeah, because there's no-one else with a set of controls in a car.

The concept absolutely exists in law but it's just called... "the driver."

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Well nowadays there is "someone else" (for a given definition of "someone") with a set of controls. Kids are being taught to drive in machines that literally drive themselves, and they need to learn that every decision that the self-driving computer makes ultimately falls on them as the driver. I think they were saying that this is a concept that needs to be taught, not a law that needs to be enacted.

That's not to say that a manufacturer is blameless when a FSD car careens into the side of a building at 80 mph. Just that immediate legal responsibility for the movement of a vehicle generally falls on a driver.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The concept is that anything that happens to that aircraft (or car) is the sole responsibility of the pilot. Flying into restricted airspace? If it's necessary to avoid a collision, you do it. Putting the plane down in a field? Better than hoping you can make it to a runway when your engine is out and lives are on the line. Another driver signals that you are clear to make a left turn on a congested road? Nope, because when that traffic you couldn't see hits you on the right, you're responsible for your car, their car, and all the people inside both vehicles.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well not quite. A manufacturing or maintenance defect will not be the responsibility of the pilot (unless they should have spotted it on their walkaround)

I'm not sure what comparison you're trying to make though; the grandparent said there needs to be a similar concept for cars, I said that there already was one. Are you agreeing or disagreeing that there already is one? Are you saying that, at present, the driver would not be responsible for moving into traffic if someone else had flashed their lights? Because that is certainly not true where I live.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is that in that case, due to poor training or judgement, the person driving the turning car did not consider themselves solely responsible for the safe operation of the vehicle, they let the driver in the signaling car decide if it was safe.

It's subtle, but it happens all the time, because we don't train drivers to think that way.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 3 hours ago

In my country, we do train drivers to think that way, and then drivers stop thinking that way because they're lazy.

The difference here is not a conceptual one where drivers don't understand rationally that they're respondible for their actions, it's one of standards and levels of training.

[–] manefraim@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Wait whose mom? The youtuber? You were unhealthily watching your son whose half your age? And you became a pilot the same day of the conception and have been ever since.....

If I solve this do I get to join Mensa?

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

Either that, or by "unhealthily", maybe he was obsessed with this kid's channel so much he went out and seduced the kid's mom as some kind of display of ultimate dominance, maybe using "I just got my pilot's license" as an opener.

...Or yeah his kid who he conceived when he got his pilot's license is now half his age and runs a YouTube channel, and excessive YouTube is unhealthy by default. . .maybe that one's more likely. 😂

[–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Are you under the impression that everytime someone comes inside a woman that woman becomes pregnant, and that this can only happen one time in a woman's life?