Your "argument" is hollow. Honestly, you haven't really presented much of an argument at all. You've said absolutely nothing about how to address the disposable society problem, in favor of berating people for wanting to do things in the "wrong" order and dismissing our suggestions and ideas as band aids instead of engaging meaningfully. It's self masturbatory and uninformed at best, and adds nothing useful to the conversation.

If you wanna talk about how to move away from a disposable society, we're all ears. If you wanna continue being combative for no reason, I'm out.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What are your constant references to how glass turns into sharp, scary shards that make it unsafe to walk barefoot then?

If you could snap your fingers right now and replace all plastic usage with glass without addressing the root cause, in 20 years time we’d be having the same argument as we are now, except you’d be demanding something to replace glass on the insistence of just using a better material will magically solve the problem.

Glass doesnt magically make society non disposable. As I have said, repeatedly. Getting rid of plastic wont cure a disposable society, it will only just make whatever replaces plastic the new waste dejure to end up everywhere and threaten everything in its own new ways

If you wanna talk about how to move away from a disposable society, we’re all ears. If you wanna continue being combative for no reason, I’m out.

until you fundamentally change society by having strict fines, personal repercussions, and public shaming. . as well as education and wide spread access of disposal receptacles, and a waste recycling system that doesnt just dump 90% of its collected recyclables into a landfill.

Only one being combative is you, because you cant tolerate being challenged. If you cant have an adult conversation, then don't engage in one. And if you're gonna participate in a discussion, read the goddamn replies, and don't whinge about shit not being said/addressed, that has already been said/addressed.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

until you fundamentally change society by having strict fines, personal repercussions, and public shaming. . as well as education and wide spread access of disposal receptacles, and a waste recycling system that doesnt just dump 90% of its collected recyclables into a landfill.

Ayyy, thank you! I genuinely missed that snippet in the sea of you telling people they're wrong.

It seems to me like you're putting all your eggs into the "recycle" basket though, and ignoring the "reuse" and "reduce" baskets (which are just as important, and are much easier to address). Recycling is hard to do cost effectively, at scale, and can sometimes still be damaging to the environment anyways. Rinsing out your glass jelly jar or metal cookie tin and using them to store leftovers is really really easy. Why not acknowledge and focus on the easy stuff first, and maybe give ourselves more time to develop and refine the hard things like recycling? Who knows, maybe we get to a point where reducing consumption and reusing what we have is enough by itself, and we don't even need to bother with recycling! Wouldn't that be neat?

Do you think capitalism is a big driver in our disposable society? To me it seems like the main one. Capitalist economies have to keep money flowing to remain healthy, and the easiest way to do that is to constantly make new products for people to buy - new phones every couple years, new laptops, new computer parts, new power tools with new battery platforms that obsolete the old ones, new styles of clothing that obsolete the old styles, new cars that are better than the old ones, etc etc etc. If so, do you have any ideas on how to address that?