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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I understand where you're coming from, and I understand why you believe this is true, especially when you take into account the current consensus among historians and other authority figures on the subject. They generally agree that Stalin and the other figures you mentioned were not fascists.

I disagree.

They qualify as fascists under every metric of the definition, and in abundance. Being communist, or labeling Stalin’s system “Stalinism,” does not exclude it from being fascism. Those labels do not change the underlying structure.

By every measurable standard, they were fascists, unequivocally,

Saying that a totalitarian ultra-nationalistic authoritative and violent regime isn't fascist because they called themselves communists is historically and morally disingenuous.

What a great little technical out for some of the worst people on Earth and in human history to not be called fascists.

[–] grinning_serpent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you're acknowledging that there's a general consensus among historians and political scientists and rejecting it anyway?

Well, you do you I guess.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That guy literally won't even concede the fact that America uses prisoners for slave labor, lol. He doesn't live in reality.

[–] grinning_serpent@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It can't be slave labor if they're paid a few cents! /s

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I stopped reading their replies after so much bullshit, but I think that was one of his slavery excuses, lol.

[–] Ixoid@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So they were fascists if you ignore the accepted definition of fascism and insert your own?

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No.

They're fascists by the very definition of fascism. The caveat in the historical consensus is that fascism is treated as a specific ideology, with the qualifier apparently being the underlying economic system. I disagree with that distinction. Just because Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot were communists does not negate the fact that they also exhibited virtually every defining characteristic of fascism. They embodied nearly every trait of what a terrible authoritarian ruler can be.

Likewise, just because a mass-murdering psychopath who happens to be in charge of a country calls himself a socialist does not automatically make him one in any meaningful historical or philosophical sense. Political leaders do not get to define themselves for the purposes of history. History evaluates them by their actions, not merely by the labels they choose to adopt.

I'm also saying that I disagree with the historical consensus on defining fascism strictly as an ideology. I'll reiterate that this is not a hard science. I'm not claiming that the laws of thermodynamics are incorrect because I have a philosophical disagreement with them. Rather, I'm arguing for a definition of fascism based on ideological consistency and observable characteristics, not solely on the economic system a regime claims to follow.

[–] Ixoid@aussie.zone 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I disagree with that distinction.

That's a whole lot of other words when you could have just said 'yes'.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I couldn't not have just said yes. Jeez dude.