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cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/41813187
Common relationship advice: "Any relationship where the partner is puttin u under constant tests is toxic"
"k, so "god" is toxic because in the Bible it constantly does it"
"No thats different"
SMFH
I'm an atheist but I'm sorry I don't like this false equivalency. Comparing a "relationship" of two grown adults to how Christians see their relationship with God is just wrong.
It's literally all over the Bible and their teachings. The relationship is that of a child to a parent. A parent often has to do things that seem "unfair" or "hypocritical" to a child. But the child is not capable of understanding the danger or entire context of the situation. This is how Christians view their relationship with God. They take on the role of an obedient child that trusts their parent to guide them for their own best interests.
It's bull shit and borderline crazy. But it's not at all analogous to a consenting relationship between two adults. Its more like them pointing to their sky dad that watches Fox News all the time. You're not gonna catch them in hypocrisy. There is no hypocrisy when they are just doing whatever they choose to believe their sky dad wants them to.
If a parent constantly tests and judges you, that's still toxic. Especially when they already know the outcome. Doubly especially when failing the test means not just a spanking but literal eternal torture.
I don't disagree. But, it's not like trying to help someone leave a toxic relationship. It's more like needing to take a child away from an abusive parent. But that abusive parent is inside their head.
It literally is! You're not God's "partner", you're His creation; you're not equals as you're entirely dependent on Him. A little toon or sim that cannot survive without the framework God made around them can only serve his master and be grateful for the opportunity of existence.
Ah but you didn't complete the thought..
He created us, and then damned us all to eternal damnation and hellfire.
But if you literally worship him exactly how he wants, he might spare you.
And how is that not abusive?
Which is totally not toxic at all
I don't think this (very fuzzy, seriously, pick a better word, world) word applies. You're not God's equal, it's not an equal relationship. God needs nothing from us, we need everything from God.
If he needs nothing from us, why does he DEMAND so much?
Cuz his daddy didn’t tell him he was proud of him, so now he needs us to glaze his shitty ass. Or else.
(Or he doesn’t exist. Naturalism is a better explanation for kids being born with horrific brain cancer.)
Because for merciful justice to take place not only must the righteous be recognised for it but the ones who refused to be righteous must be also, with all that it entails. If God judged the serial rapist and the victim of rape equally, why would you even take Him seriously? Evidently whoever sees things that way has lost whatever mind they had. So God encourages you to be a good person for your own benefit (and you engage in immorality to your own detriment).
And, btw, in a vacuum everyone besides those who are actually mentally ill or have some brain tumour altering their thinking would see the same. We have the brain, the inner prosocial disposition and understanding of justice (lots of experiments done with infants point to this too), and the time to make these simple moral observations... whatever message God has decided to illuminate even the blindest among us ("why does He demand so much?") with is just a mercy, an extra nudge in the right direction. This life came for free, be good and live forever in peace. 🙏
You literally said nothing. No answer, just a useless dogmatic diatribe.
Is he NEEDS nothing from me, why does he DEMAND everything?
All of his requirements are demands. Inflexible. And punished for eternity if not meet, unless I know the secret handshake.
How does this fulfill your original assertion?
Again, you're not demanded, just nudged into the right direction for your own sake (because justice requires payment, one way or another, and God is just), but of course you will do what you will and you will reap what you sow. And there's nothing secret about righteousness. 🤔
All I see here is a sad husk of a person who has abdicated all critical thinking abilities.
Your god created humans without the ability to reason.
He put them next to a tree whose fruits somehow give humans (of which there are only two at this point) the ability to understand right and wrong. Why does this tree exist? Fuck you shut up.
He tells these two people (who explicitly cannot tell the difference between right and wrong) not to eat from this tree.
Then when they inevitably do, he damns them and every human to ever come after them to eternal damnation.
Oh, and by the way, he already knew that all of this was going to happen from the start. And did it anyway because fuck you.
But guys, he really loves you and all you need to do is dedicate your life to worshipping at his altar so maybe he won't give you eternal pain and suffering. And you better do it the right way, or else.
Put down the Bronze Age sex manual, and join the rest of us in the 21st century.
Holy fuck you're mentally ill.
I'm neurodivergent but I don't think that qualifies, lol.
Don't listen to that dude. He is a poor representation of atheist/non-religious people.