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Help Me Understand The Proton Hate... (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 day ago by pyramidengine@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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I've been a paid Proton Unlimited customer for several years now and aside from a few small complaints, I'm generally very happy with the services I'm paying for. I agree that there is too much focus on "sidequests" like Wallet and Meet before core products are fully rebuilt and meeting expectations. I agree that Linux versions and some feature implementations are taking a long time. However, I have a fully functioning suite of Mail, Drive, VPN, Calendar and more that meet 95% of my needs. To be fair, I'm sure the zero-access/zero-knowledge encryption aspect makes development much more difficult.

If you're worried about political affiliations/interests, I'll give you that Andy Yen has made a few worrisome comments. I'm not sure what to do there. Assuming there aren't repeat occurrences, I'm satisfied with their statement about the French political figure sponsorship.

If it's the FBI cases and subpoenas, it comes down to understanding the difference between privacy and anonymity, and knowing what strategy is required to achieve actual anonymity.

So why (especially on Lemmy) is there so much Proton hate/relunctancy? Eager to hear some non-biased, fact-driven thoughts here!

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[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So in 2024 he is praising the republican party about anti-trust, which even you admit he is wrong about.

If I divested from everyone I thought was incorrect about something, I wouldn't be able to do business with literally anyone. And I explained why I think he said this, which implied it's quite possible he doesn't even think this is true.

How is this any different than what Mamdani did?

Again, if he was out here stumping for fascist positions I'd have a little more pause. But the issue he picked up here, of all the political issues in the recent years, was anti-trust. Sorry, this doesn't scream crypto fascist to me. Certainly not enough for me to worry about.

I also didn't say I'm surprised. I'm arguing that I think it's wrong and the vast majority of even those on the left aren't going to care about this.

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Mamdani didn't spout obviously false republican talking points on a public forum, and then double down in defense of the republican party when called out on it. The republicans don't support the little guy. Anyone that pays attention to anything the party has done since st least Reagan should know that. So what Mamdani did was not the equivalent, and it seems disengenuous to claim such an obviously false equivalency.

And I'm not saying divest from everyone that is wrong about anything. I'm saying that spreading obviously incorrect information that aligns with fascist talking points should be scrutinized. It should get called out. It should make people question your beliefs and motives.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 1 points 14 hours ago

Just adding that Mamdani talks mad shit about Trump both before and after meeting with him. He's extremely principled in his approach.

[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Again, you'll need to explain to me that if his real goal here is "align[ing] with fascist talking points", why is the only actual issue he jumped in on anti trust? Where was he regarding the election moves? Where was he regarding the ICE policies?

A decent anti trust pick isn't aligned at all with fascism, yet it's that issue that he spoke up on. Why only that when there have been countless issues that are aligned with fascism he could have commented on?

This screams the kind of now typical online left purity testing way more than fascism, to me.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You quite obviously aren't willing to change your mind or consider other perspectives, so what did you even post this for? The whole discussion is just going round in circles.

[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 1 points 2 hours ago

? I mean, I'm replying?

I'm willing to hear the argument, I just haven't heard one yet aside from what I summarized above, which seems to me very weak. I think it's worth talking about because this line that keeps getting repeated by a small but vocal minority led me to believe that this guy was something like a JK Rowling that's pumping lots of money into groups that tangibly harm people, or is out there changing minds towards a very negative ideology or something... but he literally only took up the gauntlet regarding anti trust, which is pretty not-fascist.

I could ask the same... why participate if you aren't willing to consider maybe you were too hasty in judgment?