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[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I'd have agreed with you if he was the direct cause of some people death, like that asshole that got Luigi-ed, but he is not. He sure took decisions that ended up making subpart games, fucked over devs, and all.

He's a capitalist shark like there are thousands of others, bit does that warrant death?

People like you are the cause why fascism is on the rise. No humanity, no regrets, no actions taken, until it affects you personally.

[–] grinning_serpent@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't warrant death, no. But people can cheer the death of an awful person without saying "hey we should keep the streak going!"

And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.

Not gonna argue on that because it is true. Still, fascism wouldn't strive as it does without those who only logic is "I don't like them so he deserves to die". That's the logic behind german innaction when jews were getting oppressed, and I prefer fight that now than wait for it to be the majority logic.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago

Still, fascism wouldn't strive as it does without those who only logic is "I don't like them so he deserves to die".

This is a straw man, I don't see anyone here making this actual argument.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Few billionaires are direct causes of anyone dying. However, they're always indirect causes of lots of people dying, by their own choice.

Is there a valuable difference between shooting somebody and poisoning the food and water of 10 random people? Maybe. Maybe not. Ultimately, you're choosing to take people's lives, knowing the outcome.

I don't think people care about whether you're a 'direct' cause, as much as they care about whether or not you're a deliberate cause.

All of us will probably cause some deaths as we go about our lives. But at no point do most of us make a decision to end someone's life. Whereas billionaires do make the decisions, and they do it completely voluntarily, seeking profit. They often seem happy about the decisions too.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world -4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And in the current case, did he cause any direct or indirect death? Did he chose to cause someone death?

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Depends. What do you think about a suicide as a response from being laid off?

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hard to say. Suicides rarely have a single cause. A layoff can be a trigger, but you rarely kill yourself from that alone if you life a pretty decent life outside of work.

Usually I go with "you are responsible of your own actions and words, not what other do or says about it". So unless he personally pushed someone to suicide, or ordered someone to be bullied to the point of suicide, no, I don't think he'd be responsible.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The concept of "kill line" is incompatible with such a view point.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Care to explain? That's not something I heard about.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

what the fuck kinda apologist bullshit is blaming fascism on people angry about capitalism excess and not the actual fascist

the fucking mental gymnastics

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Being angry at capitalist excess is a good thing. Saying that someone dying horribly is ok because you disagreed with how it ran is business isn't.

Fascist rely on that communitarian instinct to trives. Nazism rise came partly from clever propaganda gymnastic. To the rich, they said the problem was bolcheviks who spread unrest into the masses. To the poors, they said it was the rich jews who fattened on their labor.
To both they found a scapegoat remote enough to avoid having them interact enough to realize fascism bullshit, and that's how they won.

Fascism always tries to dehumanise part of society to make them the scapegoat for real issues, and gain momentum. Refusing those easy narrative is the first and more important step to refuse fascism.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

i didn’t kill him

i didn’t wish him dead

his own excess killed him (the number of rich people dying to flight related stuff is crazy disproportionate)

don’t white wash the harm this man has done

expecting people to be respectful about his death is pathetic

blaming fascism on not the fascist themselves is worse

and censoring comments is just sad

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was talking about OC and why I censored his comment after it got reported multiple times. My bad for not having been more explicit.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

you’ve ‘moderated’ multiple comments in this thread

i have no idea why you feel the need to defend rich trash

this wasn’t a good man

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

you’ve ‘moderated’ multiple comments in this thread

Both broke the community rules, and many more probably does, but we (the mod team, I'm not the only one out there) only removed the worst of them

i have no idea why you feel the need to defend rich trash

this wasn’t a good man

I defend my humanity, which includes having the minimal decency of not dancing on somone else grave. Even the worst asshole on earth deserves decency in death. That's includes you.

[–] rursta@retrolemmy.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You and I were taught different Decencies.
Explain to class how the Epstein Class are decent?

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you explain how it is related to this.

[–] rursta@retrolemmy.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How Lobbying and copyright works?

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How you went from a shitty entreprener death to Epstein.

[–] rursta@retrolemmy.com 2 points 2 days ago

Same way Copyright is lobbied through oppression of free press.
Why are you our arbiter of decency, and not Donald Trump?

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

yea i’m not ruining people lives for profit, i’m not abusing those under my power, this dude was doing both

it’s 2026, look around at the suffering in this country alone from people like him, saying nothing of the literal harm he’s done himself

but people being happy he’s dead and the world is a better place is what triggers you

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I don't mind people being happy he is dead, nor do I mind those who think the world is a better place without him. You'll find a lot of people in this topic who does, and you'll find them, strangely, not moderated.

What we removed are people who insulted those who had different opinions, including one of your comments, and that's all.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago

if he was the direct cause of some people death, like that asshole that got Luigi-ed, but he is not.

Just an FYI, this is literally how every single one of them justifies their evil to themselves.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Agreed…

It’s crazy it’s so controversial. Don’t dance on peoples graves.