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[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That’s how burden of proof works. If you want to claim something is a problem you have to prove it: with proof.

Somone got litteraly killed because of that exception. that s my proof.

You can tell me your fee fees are outraged all you want. Show me an actual study that says kirpans, in particular, are used for stabbings all over the land.

Just one is enough and tbh that exception should have never happened in the first place. I have no idea how you can justify something being obviously bad cause it doesnt correspond to your arbitrary criteria.

That’s why I linked to an actual article showing the right don’t really care about weapons

How is it a right wing take to said religious exception to carry weapon is fucking dumb ????????

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

'Just one is enough' when it comes to Sikhs, but no one, and nothing else it seems.

Care to explain that little bit of bias? 'Just one is enough', just shows how selectively outraged you are. For example 12 people were murdered using firearms in 2025... Just one is enough... No outrage.

You can't lean on 'state discrimination', we already established you don't really give two shits about state discrimination. You can't lean on 'deadly weapons', we already established you don't really give two shits about deadly weapons.

I have no idea how you can justify something being obviously bad cause it doesnt correspond to your arbitrary criteria.

... I don't know what to tell you: you have your outrage, and I'm not convinced by your outrage.

Show me meaningful data that kirpans, in particular, are a problem and I'll be convinced. I've shown you how to convince me, you can do it at any time.

Your turn, what would convince you that the Epstein class are just boosting this story so you're annoyed at Sikhs and not them? Is it that Farage is connected to Trump (of epstein fame) and Farage is boosting this story?

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Care to explain that little bit of bias? ‘Just one is enough’

u arent real. Yeah one murder that should have been prevented and wasnt bc of a stupid law is enough to say the law is stupid. Are you having issue undersatnding this ?

we already established you don’t really give two shits about state discrimination

No we havent and it wasnt even the subject.

just tell me why a religious exception for carrying a weapon isnt an issue ? All you said was something related to epstein that isnt even the subject. You also said it was a right wing take. Omg

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Gain saying isn't an argument

I've told you what would convince me: show me data that kirpans, in particular, are a problem murder weapon in the UK. I'm waiting, you can do it at any time. The power to convince me is in your hands, you just refuse to do it.

That's a reasonable ask I think. I believe the UK does have an issue of discrimination based on ethnicity due to data. Makes sense to apply the same standard to kirpans.

All you said was something related to epstein that isnt even the subject. You also said it was a right wing

That's right, I did say it was a distraction by the Epstein class to distract you. Oh boy have they got you distracted.

I then showed you what you're being distracted from.

It's a common MO. That's why Farage, with significant ties to the Epstein class, is banging on about it. It's why the media, owned by the Epstein class, is banging on about it.

Look, we aren't getting anywhere. You have your outrage that I don't think is convincing. I have my data, that you don't think is convincing. Ultimate

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve told you what would convince me: show me data that kirpans, in particular, are a problem murder weapon in the UK. I’m waiting, you can do it at any time. The power to convince me is in your hands, you just refuse to do it.

Do u realize you said that in the litteral convo that is about a murder made by a kirpan ? what data do u need ?

Your shizo rant about subject that have nothing to do with this matter is detrimental to what you think u defend.

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Do u realize you said that in the litteral convo that is about a murder made by a kirpan ? what data do u need ?.

I am sorry for this, data is not one case. Data is a collection of information used to inform decisions. Look at the report I linked showing discrimination from british police, you see how it's informed by more than a single case? I thought you knew what 'data' was, that's my bad. Singular is datum, I really wish the right wing would assimilate and learn English.

If we're going by single cases, Jo Cox would have justified us pushing every right wing person into the sea. That's bad right, you understand how knee jerking over one case is bad?

Oh look, 'just one is enough'. Not for you, not really.

If anyone wanted any more proof of how disingenuous you are: I have repeatedly told you what would convince me, you haven't done the same.

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

just tell me how a legal exception to carry weapon based on religous belief is fair ? u are the one incapable to answer that simple question so you conitnue to derail the conv in any direction to not answer that simple question

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Then you retreat back to distracting from the Epstein class robbing you blind. No, I'm not falling for your, culture war, outrage nonsense. Take it to someone more gullible. You want to discuss an actual, and measurable problem in the UK? Wealth inequality is right there. Let's talk about actual problems facing our country, or are you going to continue to run cover for the Epstein class?

Oh look more right-epstein class connections

You have shown you do not care about discrimination based on ethnicity. You have shown you do not care about deadly weapons. You have shown your 'just one is enough' was empty grandstanding, or worse targeted against Sikhs. You do not care about political murders. You are incapable of discussing anything in good faith.

I do not care that Sikhs have kirpans, I have expressed that many times. I've told you what would convince me otherwise, because I am convincable. You are welcome to convince me otherwise at any time.

Tell me, did you just learn what 'data' meant today?

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I do not care that Sikhs have kirpans

Then you dont care about ppl being abble to carry weapon cause the law made them being abble bc of their religous belief. And so if you are stupid enough to support this then im pretty sure you have nothing to said about anything.

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

The person that didn't know what 'data' meant is in an awfully glass house throwing words like 'stupid' around.

Yawn. I've told you what would convince me otherwise. You can provide it at anytime, and I'll change my opinion. Because apparently, it's stupid people that form their opinions based on data.

Or, you can keep running defence for the epstein class with this silly culture war nonsense.

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao

Na you don't understand my religion allow me everything you accuse me off

D u have data to tell me if it s bad that I do it ? Dont seem like So you bad

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Well, that was unhinged. Once again, you show how disingenuous you are.

Anyways, I've told you what would convince me otherwise. You can provide it at anytime, and I’ll change my opinion.

Or, you can keep running defence for the epstein class with this silly culture war nonsense.

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Religion can be unhinged no way are u trying to distract us from the fact that the esptein class want u enslave ? Dont u have data about you not being an Epstein class ? U seem very sus

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Did you just 'no u'? Imagine getting so mad because someone asked for proof of something. Facts, not fee fees right?

Anyways, I’ve told you what would convince me otherwise. You can provide it at anytime, and I’ll change my opinion.

Or, you can keep running defence for the epstein class with this silly culture war nonsense.

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Silly culture war and it s litteraly religious exemption for carrying weapon. Bruh How can I convince you it s dumb ? You should be abble to know it s dumb. If you are incapable of that no convincing can happen cause you r too dumb to understand basic stuff.

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Me: here's what would convince me otherwise. You can provide it at anytime, and I’ll change my opinion.

You: How can I convince you it s dumb ?

Awfully, glass house you're in.

Anyways:

You have shown you do not care about discrimination based on ethnicity. You have shown you do not care about deadly weapons. You have shown your ‘just one is enough’ was empty grandstanding, or worse targeted against Sikhs. You do not care about political murders. You are incapable of discussing anything in good faith.

Or you can keep running defence for the epstein. Class. I'm gonna be honest. This was only productive to show just how disingenuous you are, that's done now. Then it was a little entertaining, but now you're boring.

You're going to have to either provide some data to change my opinion, or be more entertaining if you want my attention again.

You enjoy your outrage, stay mad. I think I'm going to try donate to Langer. Do they take cash donations? They do! You could be big mad, or feed some people I know 'data' was a long word for you, so I provided a link.