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For those interested on the question of age verification and GNU/Linux: be aware that Systemd v261-rc1 was recently released. It now implements an optional birth date field in the JSON user database (see second item under "Other changes").

The implementation of this field was prompted by age-verification or -attestation laws.

(Age-verification status of Open Source Operating Systems.)

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[–] excel@lemming.megumin.org 47 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yes, right next to the fields for your full name and address, all of which are optional. It’s a total nothingburger.

[–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Did you ignore the comment in the github where it, and I quote "Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc.". Yes it is optional NOW, but this is in preparation of laws that make it legally Mandatory. Don't down play this.

[–] excel@lemming.megumin.org 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Miss me with this "slippery slope" BS.
Having a standardized place to store the DOB is a good thing and it should have been there even before these laws.
And if some users want to comply with those laws, then they should have a way to do it.
If anybody actually tries to make this a hard requirement (which isn't going to happen), then you can bitch about it at that time.

[–] froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago

This. If someone would force it, people make a fork without that bullshit

[–] tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 21 hours ago

Lol who tf are you, the bitching police? The judge of grievances? Oh thank you for permitting me to talk about things i find problematic great king, so generous of you

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

California's AB-1043 already passed, so we get to bitch about it now. Thanks for your support.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Oh so you are now forced to fill in the field?

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

In California Jan 1st 2027, effectively yes. Please read AB-1043. All of this information is present there. It functionally forces any systemd‑based OS to populate it in order to comply with the law’s mandatory age‑collection requirements. It's literally in the bill. Next time, just fucking read it, damn. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 1 points 15 hours ago

How is that gonna work mechanically?

[–] korbel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What you quote is the justification why a new field should be added. You can't just say e.g. a Wardrobe number should be added without justifying it, otherwise it won't be accepted. You can say a Wardrobe number should be added because recent scientific developments suggest that some wardrobes open up new worlds, so it became necessary to extend the address field.

This doesn't mean systemd would enforce anything or go into the politics of certain jurisdictions. It just enables distros to use this field, and it's up to the distros what they want to do with it.

[–] Bogus007@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You don’t have such fields in opened, runit or S6.

[–] OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Those options don’t do the same things as SystemD though

[–] fira@lemmy.today -2 points 1 day ago

I found the clueless rube

[–] xohshoo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Just like the room number when using the adduser command

[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah just because they build cages for kids in the desert near the border doesn't mean anything's going to happen! It's just optional infrastructure in case you want to put your kids in a cage. It's totally voluntary.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There are genuinely useful use cases for it, and unlike what you suggest it is completely harmless.

[–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is everyone ignoring the direct quote in the orginal post that is referring to laws (California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025)) that are going to force you to verify your age?

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No; I think these bills are terrible and should be resisted. But the outrage about (what is effectively) a database on your pc to store information that itself doesn't do anything is ridiculous.

If abyone wants or needs to implement a system like that (could be for work,for example), that's perfectly fine. What isn't fine is the existence of the laws in the first place, and they shouldn't be resisted with (just) technology.

[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you support adding a field for your SSN too? It's just going to be stored in a database on your PC so why not??

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, and I'm never going to use it, just like I don't use any of the other existing fields - it doesn't matter.

[–] Archr@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The California law does not require verification. Only attestation.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not invested enough to be for or against it personally; just curious...

What are the user-beneficial use cases for it?

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I could imagine a parental control setup using this information, for example. Linux is really behind in this regard and it's time it started catching up IMO.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

That makes sense. Papa having control over what junior sees is probably not very functionally different from Big Brother having control over what an individual sees, lol