this post was submitted on 21 May 2026
166 points (95.1% liked)

World News

56210 readers
1844 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This post is about public gendered spaces

I didn't leave a top-level comment. I replied to someone who made an excessively broad statement lacking any nuance. They didn't say "it's being used as a transphobic dogwhistle in this context," they suggested that it can only be used as a transphobic dogwhistle. So I provided a counterexample.

Ignoring the fact that my comment was a reply to someone else's, and responding as if I was leaving a top-level comment, means you're the one ignoring context.

If your trans friend,..., complains about access to toilets following this development, interrupting them to tell them that they're always going to have to mention their sex assigned at birth to the doctor is deeply unsympathetic at the very least.

I don't just randomly blurt out "doctors need to know their patient's anatomy!" in irrelevant situations. My response was a reply to someone saying "biological sex" has no useful meaning except as a transphobic dogwhistle. How is that so difficult to understand?

If my friend wasn't talking about the bathroom, but said "biological sex is just a transphobic dogwhistle" without qualifying it as "in ____ specific context", then I would push back and say "then how will a doctor know whether to ask a trans man if he's pregnant?" And so far no one has been able to provide a good answer to that, so that tells me you're just using "transphobia" as a dismissive thought-stopper because you're uncomfortable with considering a reality that feels taboo (specifically because it's treated as "transphobic dogwhistle" in all contexts, leaving no room for nuance).

If you can't see how derailing the topic and pontificating about what your doctor needs to know in a discussion about who is allowed to use the toilets in peace, then you lack empathy

It's not derailing or pontificating because it was in response to a different comment which was attempting to make an overly-broad judgement. If you think I'm making this about toilets then you need to reread what I said, because nothing I said has been about toilets.

I didn't ban you, but I'd be shocked if a comm or instance designed as a safe space for trans people wanted you showing up there banging on about their birth sex.

Yeah, except it wasn't just trans comms, several of them were completely unrelated. Some mod saw my comments and decided to be petty and ban me from every comm they're a mod on. That's what's ridiculous.

Also, I don't just show up in trans comms talking about bathrooms and birth sex. That would be psycho. This isn't even a trans comm. And what I said was relevant to the discussion.

And nothing I've said has been sealioning, people are just refusing to address the very legitimate point that I made that doctor's need to know what sex someone was born as in order to ask the right questions and screen for the right things.

I'm not "debating" biological sex. The fact that you think that's even a debate is kinda dissociated from reality. I acknowledged the difference between sex and gender in my first comment, and said we shouldn't conflate the two. At no point did I say anything like "gender must match sex," or "there's only two genders," or "there's only two sexes." All those layers of interpretation have been added on by other people to uncharitably lump me into the category "transphobe" just so they don't have to think about what I said. That's a strawman.

All three racist things I ever heard were prefixed by "I'm not being racist, but"

Except I didn't prefix what I said with "I'm not transphobic, but." I didn't say I wasn't transphobic until after someone accused me of being transphobic. It was a simple rebuttal, because nothing I said was transphobic. You saw a shadow of a tree and thought it was freddie kruger.

If you aren't transphobic and you aren't autistic, I would expect you to adjust how you speak in this kind of context

Great, so you're assuming I'm not autistic. Neurotypical defaultism is ableist.

and the fact that you can't seem to understand why it happened is the same reason they wanted to do it.

Oh, I can understand why it happened. It's because someone was being petty and trigger-happy without caring to stop and think critically for a moment. I didn't say I don't understand how this could happen. I just called it petty.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I didn’t leave a top-level comment. I replied to someone who made an excessively broad statement lacking any nuance. They didn’t say “it’s being used as a transphobic dogwhistle in this context,” they suggested that it can only be used as a transphobic dogwhistle

No, they didn't, they just said (and to repeat, they said it in the context of this guidance about access to gendered spaces) "it's a transphobic dog whistle", which is absolutely what it is in this context, and you strawmanned that up to "it's always transphobic dog whistle in every context, even if you omit the unnecessary oversimplifying adjective 'biological'" and made the argument about that.

very legitimate point that I made that doctor’s need to know

Correction, very irrelevant point in this context.

If you aren’t transphobic and you aren’t autistic, I would expect you to adjust how you speak in this kind of context

Great, so you’re assuming I’m not autistic. Neurotypical defaultism is ableist.

No, there's an if at the start of that sentence and an and partway in.

and the fact that you can’t seem to understand why it happened is the same reason they wanted to do it.

Oh, I can understand why it happened. It’s because someone was being petty and trigger-happy without caring to stop and think critically for a moment. I didn’t say I don’t understand how this could happen. I just called it petty.

I think it's rational to ban someone who refuses to accept that their lengthy sealioning is unwelcome from a comm designed to be free of exactly that kind of sealioning.

You act like you're unable to understand why those comments were unwelcome. If you do understand why they're unwelcome, stop. If you don't understand why they're unwelcome, don't claim to understand.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

They applied their judgement in an unqualified and overly broad sense. They weren't just talking about "in this context." And if you aren't operating on the assumption that "it's always a transphobic dogwhistle," then why are people saying it's a transphobic dogwhistle when I simply say "it's not necessarily a transphobic dogwhistle"?

Correction, very irrelevant point in this context

It's not irrelevant at all, but if you keep ignoring thr context that makes it relevant then I can't change your mind...

No, there's an if at the start of that sentence and an and partway in.

Which was clearly meant to be hostile and the disclaimer "if you're not autistic..." doesn't really change that.

I think it's rational to ban someone who refuses to accept that their lengthy sealioning is unwelcome from a comm designed to be free of exactly that kind of sealioning.

First of all, I'm not sealioning. I don't know why you're fixated on that. I didn't say "Oh yeah, prove it's a dogwhistle" multiple times while ignoring evidence. I provided evidence in the form of a counterexample that it's not always a dogwhistle; evidence which was promptly and repeatedly ignored. In other words, you're the ones sealioning.

Second of all, this isn't a trans comm, and neither were half the ones I got permabanned from. So your logic falls short.

You act like you're unable to understand why those comments were unwelcome. If you do understand why they're unwelcome, stop. If you don't understand why they're unwelcome, don't claim to understand.

They're unwelcome cause some mods and instance admins want to create echo chambers where nuanced discussion isn't allowed, so they label any unpopular opinion as "transphobic" even when that accusation doesn't hold up.

Nothing I've said has been bigoted, y'all are just loading layers of meaning and interpretation onto my statements because you're conditioned to see transphobia and bigotry everywhere you look. It sucks that you have to put up with that stuff, but that's not what I'm doing and you're overapplying that filter.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

why are people saying it’s a transphobic dogwhistle when I simply say “it’s not necessarily a transphobic dogwhistle”?

Ib don't think you really thought about that question before you posted it. If I recall correctly, this is your first use of the word "necessarily". If you had merely said "it's not necessarily a dog whistle in every context -medics might use the term", you might have simply had a quick "but in this guidance transphobic dog whistling is very much where it comes from and in any case a medic is likely to omit the word biological".

Again, the context of this while discussion, as you keep rejecting despite the link at the top of the page, is the trans-harassment "equalities" guidance. The other context is entirely and irrelevantly of your invention.

this isn’t a trans comm, and neither were half the ones I got permabanned from. So your logic falls short.

I have no idea which comms you got banned from, but some whole instances are designed to be safe spaces so that trans people can complain about being excluded from access to public toilets in peace without you turning up to derail the entire conversion to be about what the word "sex" means. blahaj.zone is one such instance, and I know there are several other instances that are keen to protect trans folk from exactly the kind of "bbbut medically, surely" crap you're pulling here.

The fact that you argue rather than apologise when people say you're behaving insensitively to trans folk is exactly the reason I fully support banning you from trans-supportive spaces.

Nothing I’ve said has been bigoted, y’all are just loading layers of meaning and interpretation onto my statements because you’re conditioned to see transphobia and bigotry everywhere you look. It sucks that you have to put up with that stuff, but that’s not what I’m doing and you’re overapplying that filter.

Wow. I want you to think of a phrase about a minority group that you personally acknowledge is offensive.

Imagine someone turning up after someone explained that that phrase was offensive and then spending upwards of three hours arguing that it it isn't offensive in some contexts. And then to cap it all, blaming that targetted group of people in general for being offended and hinting that they should have put aside a lifetime of prejudice and disadvantage so they can look more calmly rationally at the debate about whether it's always offensive.

[–] powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You should ignore that poster. They're mentally ill.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Thanks, I was starting to feel like I had my back against the wall and was being outnumbered.

I'm mentally ill too though, so I don't think that automatically means someone should be ignored. But yeah, if they persistently misrepresent what I say in order to feel morally superior and make it easier to argue then I'll gladly ignore them, mental illness or not

[–] powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'll clarify that they've repeatedly demonstrated that they're unfortunately mentally ill in a way that makes it not worth your time to engage. Just downvote and move on.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Noted. Thank you