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If you lived where I live, you'd get no dates. The women decide the parameters of the dates they will accept, not the men.
They have no trouble repeatedly finding men who will take them on expensive first dates, because there are many men who are willing to pay $200 for the privilege of talking with a woman for an hour or two. So that is the standard they expect. Any man who doesn't offer that is devaluing them as people, in their eyes.
It's basic economics. Dating is a highly economic activity. money plays a huge role in mating. her time is worth money, if she is givng you her time, you better be offering her money or something money can buy.
it's unrealistic to you, yes. But it's not to them. many women where i live, would rather be alone, than date or marry a man who isn't boosting their lifestyle, as in, if she makes 150K/yr she ONLY wants men who make 300K/yr because a man who makes 200K or less can't 'add value' to her life, as in raise her social and economic standing.
and dating has ALWAYS been about this. traditional gender roles still dominate heterosexual dating, as much as people like to claim and believe they do not. people love to talk about love, but the funny thing is love tends to go away when the money does...
Are you in the Bay Area where there are both more men and high paychecks? Because I’ve been all over the US and that’s the only place where I could somewhat believe this is the norm.
Meet up for coffee or a drink. If there’s interest, you can maybe extend it but this way it’s lower pressure and cheaper if there’s no interest. Nothing worse than getting yourself into something longer when you can tell in the first few minutes you aren’t interested.
Yeah, I am in Boston, it's as expensive as the bay area.
Coffee is only available during the day. Drinks are expensive.
If you hit it off, you have to keep seeing them and going on more dates... dinner dates cost $200. that's just how life is.
You can't have a romantic relationship based on getting coffee at noon on saturdays.
Depends on who you’re interested in. I’m frugal and had no interest dating someone who wanted to blow hundreds going out every weekend. Is it happening because they’re demanding it or because you assume you need to do it?
cool. I have never met anyone 'frugal' in my dating pool over a decade.
I've met people who seem frugal at first, but then start demanding very expensive 'favors' from you though!
I met one lady where we had nice low cost dates, but then she asked me to pay her $5000 car repair bill.
If I get no dates because of parameters that I've chosen, I'm pretty sure I decided just as much as the women. On the other hand, I've never had a woman turn down a date with me. Not that I put much effort into getting dates or even swiping on online dating apps...
I'd also rather be alone than be in a relationship with someone who doesn't add to my life. That is not exclusive to women. The only people who don't share that opinion are the people with no sense of self-worth. The USA might be culturally obsessed with money (more than the rest of the world), but there are things worth more in life than having a large bank account. I think you'll find that your economic lens on dating is not giving the whole picture and that you're devaluing your own worth. The women who do want men who make way more than them are hypercapitalists and the state of the world right now is exactly why they're not worth caring about.
Maybe in the USA, but certainly not in the world as a whole. I don't know of any of my friends or family in relationships right now where only the woman cooks and cleans and the man pays for everything. Everyone splits chores, work their jobs, and take each other out on dates. Not that I'm a fan of marriage, but it's not love if a little of the worse of "for better or for worse" (financial hardship) is all it takes to break it. But if the primary reason to be together is financial, as you suggest, then that would explain a lot as to why those relationships would fail. Better to just avoid anyone who might be put off by a bit of financial turmoil instead of wasting time with them.
i mean, yeah, you're welcome not to date. that's fine. a lot of people are checking out because it's a losing game.
I am not checking out because I want a family and I can't make one on my own. So i have to date and hope I find someone who also wants a family.
Not many women want families anymore either. They just want to party and travel their entire life.
I don't think you realize that every reply you've made to me makes it sounds like you've already checked out of dating. You're only interested in the women who don't want you. You're calling it a losing game. You're blaming women for not meeting requirements that only you can set or change. Those all sound like rationalisations to why you're not successful in dating instead of trying a different approach or doing a bit of introspection into why what you're doing isn't working for you. Sure, on paper you're still in the game but you've made it so hard for yourself to find someone that you're effectively not even playing.
Also dating isn't a game you can win or lose. Being alone isn't a loss. Having a partner isn't a win. It's about enjoying life however you live it.
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I'm 40 dude. Yeah, there aren't many choices, and most of them are terrible choices.
But you make the best with what life offers you. And yes, life is a game you win or lose. You get the things you want, or you don't. Typically, people don't enjoy life if they don't get the things they want, and they do, if they do, and their enjoyment is directly a product of if they have obtained the things they believe they should have.
I am not blaming women for anything. I am actively dating in the trenches and I'm telling people what I see and experience. You may find that very upsetting and offensive, or feel the need to 'correct' me by lecturing me on my experiences being false or wrong, that's great for you. But it won't change anything about my life experiences or my dating experiences. You are a random stranger shouting at a random stranger how 'wrong' they are... because they are talking about things you don't like to hear or don't agree with or don't believe are real.
I am not interested in most women I meet, to be fair. Because they aren't offering anything I find desirable, but in order to determine that, I must actually socialize with them. I don't pretend I know anything about them until I have met them in person. There is always the possibility that I run into someone who is what I'm looking for, it has happened in the past! But alas, I lack the psychic abilities to know other people's preferences and desires before they have verbalized them to me.
Lecture me all you want if it makes you feel better? Dating systematically is getting difficult for everyone across multiple cultures. You can tell me that this is wrong or stupid or misogyny, but it won't change the facts on the ground being reported by the news, my sociologists, and by statistics.
Anymore than I personally, can make Donald Trump not president.