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I like how everyone forgets EVs exist.
EVs mitigate one tiny slice of the problems caused by car culture.
Carbon emissions are only a tiny problem? What world do you live in?
Just off the top of my head. If you swapped all the gas cars for electric cars, you still have all those problems.
agree strongly on all points except:
long debunked. even coal power to EV is better than gasoline emissions.
Not debunked at all: “Better than gasoline” is a low bar.
Coal is still not at all “green”/renewable/sustainable.
Tailpipe CO~2~ emissions are indeed only a fraction of the problem with ICE cars. EVs still cause CO~2~ emissions from production, maintenance, and especially infrastructure, in addition to being just as dangerous, noisy, and socially disruptive as an ICE car.
Further, if they are cheaper to operate, the Jevons Paradox means that we'll end up using more total energy for EVs than we currently do for ICE vehicles, with all of the knock-on effects of pollution and environmental destruction wrought by automobile-oriented land use. That environmental destruction also drives climate change, and the Antheopocene mass extinction currently in progress.
It sure is. But we were talking about how regular people are currently affected by rising gas prices. Getting a used EV would be a helpful way to mitigate its effect on you.
You mean bicycles, right?
I do. I'll just bike 30 miles to work on the highway... it'll be fine.
You could put your bike on the front of a transit bus if those existed.
Ive done that before. Felt cool af
I used to do that in college. Would bike from school to work or take the bus when weather was bad or I was being lazy.
Unfortunately now I live in the suburbs away from any bus transit. :(
You done fucked up. Move.
Correct.
They aren't cheap and that often means installing some at home charging station since ev charging stations arent great.
Here in the southwest, an EV is only cheap to charge at home. Many ordinary people live in apartments.
For now. I imagine gas prices will soon surpass the DC fast charge prices.