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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (11 children)

This explains a lot. Yud writes in 2018:

[...] it occurred to me that I was pretty much raised and socialized by my parents' collection of science fiction.

My parents' collection of old science fiction.

Isaac Asimov. H. Beam Piper. A. E. van Vogt. Early Heinlein, because my parents didn't want me reading the later books.

And when I did try reading science fiction from later days, a lot of it struck me as... icky. Neuromancer, bleah, what is wrong with this book, it feels damaged, why do people like this, it feels like there's way too much flash and it ate the substance, it's showing off way too hard.

And now that I think about it, I feel like a lot of my writing on rationality would be a lot more popular if I could go back in time to the 1960s and present it there. "Twelve Virtues of Rationality" is what people could've been reading instead of Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, to take a different path from the branching point that found Stranger in a Strange Land appealing.

(I just finished re-reading Neuromance, partly because I mined it for quotes here, and I think it still holds up).

So Yud skipped with New Wave SF and the bombastic late 70s stuff that New Wave was partly a reaction to. He jumped into cyberpunk (itself a reaction to both) and bounced off hard.

There's so much conversation within SF that he's missing, and it's kinda important, because his project is an SF project, and he'd probably get more traction if he'd engaged with it more.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Yud:

I didn't stick to merely the culture I was raised in, because that wasn't what that culture said to do. The characters I read didn't keep to the way they were raised. They were constantly being challenged with new ideas and often modified or partially rejected those ideas in the course of absorbing them.

Also Yud: ewww Neuromancer is icky

Yud:

But if you consider me to be more than usually intellectually productive for an average Ashkenazic genius in the modern generation

It's not just a load-bearing if, it's a conditional that manages to be vaguely racist under all the smug. C-c-combo move!

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But if you consider me to be more than usually intellectually productive for an average Ashkenazic genius in the modern generation

I don't consider you more than usually intellectually productive for an average person, with no qualifiers, and I refuse to engage with whatever the fuck lies beneath that racist qualifier

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

and I refuse to engage with whatever the fuck lies beneath that racist qualifier

Oops all scientific racism

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 1 week ago

The title of the post was "Is Clickbait Destroying Our General Intelligence?". Now, "general intelligence" is something totally different from the g of Pioneer Fund/Mankind Quarterly numberwang racism, honest, we promise. It's just something we use the presumed existence of g to argue for. See? Completely different!

Also, this post was designated among the "best of LessWrong 2018".

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