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Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union...

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

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[–] Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I still don't know what authoritarian means.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

It means the grey parts of international-community-1international-community-2

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

when a state does stuff and the further away from london it is, the more authoritarian it is socialism-is-when

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Basically authoritarianism is the concept of a government that uses state power and monopoly of violence to enforce the will of the state and its own legitimacy.

Looking up descriptions online will have people saying all sorts of shit because the actual meaning of authoritarianism is just every state.

Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law. Authoritarian regimes may be either autocratic or oligarchic and may be based upon the rule of a party, the military, or the concentration of power in a single person.

-Wikipedia
A funny thing about Wikipedias short description here means a state without democratic institutions isn't necessarily authoritarian, since it is not moving away from them, they just don't exist within it. Also under this definition the US isn't authoritarian, since it is not based upon the rule of a party, but two parties.

Authoritarianism, in politics and government, the blind submission to authority and the repression of individual freedom of thought and action. Authoritarian regimes are systems of government that have no established mechanism for the transfer of executive power and do not afford their citizens civil liberties or political rights. Power is concentrated in the hands of a single leader or a small elite, whose decisions are taken without regard for the will of the people. The term authoritarianism is often used to denote any form of government that is not democratic, but studies have demonstrated that there is a great deal of variation in authoritarian rule.

-Britannica
"Submission to authority" will appear in the next (and last) two sources as well. What does it mean? No clue, they don't define it.
Pretty based of Britannica to support the DPRK though - considering the DPRK does

  • Have a system for the transfer of executive power
  • Does afford it's citizens political rights and civil liberties. (Without getting into all the propaganda about North Korea, even within the western liberals propaganda apparatus it cannot be denied that the DPRK does afford it's citizens *some rights and liberties. How many and to what extent and which ones specifically? Doesn't matter)

Power is concentrated in the hands of a single leader or a small elite, whose decisions are taken without regard for the will of the people.

Okay so every government with a parliamentary system and a low approval rating then?

The term authoritarianism is often used to denote any form of government that is not democratic, but studies have demonstrated that there is a great deal of variation in authoritarian rule.

I wonder why there is such a variation? Could it be because the concept is flawed? No! It must be because us-foreign-policy

Authoritarianism: The belief that people must obey completely and not be allowed freedom to act as they wish

-Cambridge dictionary
Apparently it's just... A belief system and not actually about how a state enforces itself? Doesn't this make every "vote blue no matter who!" lib an authoritarian?

Authoritarianism: of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority [OR] of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

-Merriam-Webster
Abolish bedtimes I guess, since that is a belief children should obey the authority of their parents. Abolish homework as well.
The second definition is perhaps the best one available, though it is kind of yank-brained. The UK doesn't have a constitution. It is authoritarian, yes, but not because of a lack of a legal document. It also decries the concentration of power, so that would be every centralised state apparatus.
And what does "constitutionally representative to the people" even mean?

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@Cowbee@hexbear.net a short text you are more than welcome to use in your crusade to educate the libs.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago
[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The term authoritarianism is often used to denote any form of government that is not democratic, but studies have demonstrated that there is a great deal of variation in authoritarian rule.

I wonder why there is such a variation? Could it be because the concept is flawed? No! It must be because us-foreign-policy

@FlakesBongler@hexbear.net May I please beg thee for a skinner meme?
could it be authoritarianism is dogshit and reductive?"
"No! The enemies of the US state are just evil!' (but more funny, you know you only produce bangers)

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

They updated Frinkiac yesterday and i'm still getting used to it

Much more robust creation tools now

Giving me lots of material to work with too