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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (5 children)

If you believe this is not a coincidence and that she's really referring to the gunman, you are exactly as gullible as an info warrior and you should do some soul searching. Holy fuck the depths of idiocy present to believe that shit. Alex Jones is always claiming batshit stupid things like this and that's the caliber of person who believes this shit.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

If you believe this is not a coincidence and that she’s really referring to the gunman, you are exactly as gullible as an info warrior and you should do some soul searching.

Huh, that's some strong language for something still unproven. While I'm personally in doubt the administration tells Goebbels Barbie anything of substance, there is also a non-zero possibility, however scant, this shooter event was staged for some other batshit insane reason the sane among us could not possibly begin to guess.

I mean, at this point can you prove it wasn't staged?

In the absence of evidence, one has to ask if it is even possible to definitively prove anything that happens with this administration: what used to be basic assumption, and what you seem to be relying upon to call others idiots, has all been destroyed for many of us via the deluge of Trump's excesses and extremes of behavior.

So while I understand your scorn and frustration, I can't say I share it to the same extent, if only because there is a world of difference between fear and idiocy, and everyone's tolerance for fear and in what measure is different. "Gullible info warriors" are made out of people desperate for something that makes sense in times of dread, and none of us here are any different except to the degree that we are not consuming the propaganda and we mentally hold space for the unknown in the presence of fear.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 5 days ago

when there is already a pattern of this happening 2 other times, its more than coincidence at this point.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, at this point can you prove it wasn't staged?

That is not how anything works. The fact that this is unproven but people are acting like it is, is a really bad sign. Magats/info warriors are very low intelligence individuals. I thought the left had way fewer such folks. Turns out I was wrong and that we have plenty of people who think you need to prove something dumb and pointless that would never happen...didn't happen. "If you can't disprove it then it happened". That's where your bar is. I would hope any child could tell how flawed this thinking is but apparently plenty of adults cannot. Just another nail in humanity's coffin and another reason to think we are doomed. The concept of evidence is apparently beyond our species now.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

“If you can’t disprove it then it happened”. That’s where your bar is.

That's not even remotely what I said, lol. What I said had far more nuance, and referenced holding mental space for the unknown in the presence of fear.

By contrast, you seem to be holding onto tropes as self-referential proofs: your constant othering of those deemed intellectually lesser; your evidence-free "something dumb and pointless that would never happen," argument, even as you plainly ignore the guts of what I said.

You needed strawmen, and you built a few out of nothing but your own imagination. Why?

And there it is, even if you can't see it yourself.

Frankly, you've made my point better than I ever could have: emotional tolerances, and emotional states, have far more to do with belief in questionable evidence-light conclusions than any IQ point ever could. You even flash yours at the end:

Just another nail in humanity’s coffin and another reason to think we are doomed. The concept of evidence is apparently beyond our species now.

From where I sit, it seems possible that part of your overwhelming scorn for the "low intelligence individuals" with "flawed thinking" your pointedly label is born of the fact that your own emotional needs require you to hold onto a different bit of propaganda -- "we're all DOOMED!" -- than theirs do.

I say this only because your mental mechanics of holding onto what you need to believe to assuage your own fears seem to be exactly the same as those you scorn: deny, discard key portions, reshape, lather in pejoratives, and regurge.

But people who can understand their own fear and sit with it have no need to prove or disprove anything at all, much less have any desire to do so outside conclusive evidence one way or another. Maybe give that a shot (no pun intended) before calling other people idiots for doing exactly the same mental gymnastics that you do.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, at this point can you prove it wasn't staged?

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's no coming back from what you said dude.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lol, okay. Imagine my dismay and be happy. 👍

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not the goal. You just showed your cards so there not much else to say

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Yep, sure did. You got me, lol.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think it's a slip of the tongue, not a coincidence. Have you been following the legal wranglings surrounding the epstein ballroom? If I read properly, and I do a lot of drugs so take this summary with a grain of salt, Krasnov's team argued that they needed the new ballroom for "security". Judge says it still needs to be approved by congress. So Krasnov makes a big deal how he's going to be at this for the first time as president and whoopsie doodle look what happens. It smells like they took an existing situation and tried to use it to their advantage, but it's too obvious that they are pulling strings and that they benefit from this shit so they don't actually benefit.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It would have actually been more surprising if, surrounding a comedy event like this getting media comments from hundreds if not thousands of people, not a single person mentioned the incredibly common phrase "shots fired". It boggles my mind that anyone could think that a) trump would risk his life for this b) they would admit this publicly for no reason. This is qanon shit. Probably actually dumber than a lot of the qanon shit.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

yeah my honest opinion is that all the stochastic terrorism he's been stirring up is coming back at him. this is chickens coming home to roost. when they find out where he's going to be, they come to see him because they are angry he's not their specific kind of fascist.

but dude, let us have our fun.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

let us have our fun.

I don't get the sense people are joking about this... Do you?

I've seen more jokes than serious talk, but i've been too busy to be online.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, literally everything they've done in the past 15 months was projected at some point. It's all they do.

So yeah, I would not put it past them to try stupid conspiracy shit like that. Because they talked about it so much.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"put it past" and "this happened" aren't the same though. A lot of people here are convinced a few pieces of meaningless circumstantial evidence is "proof".

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm not agreeing with people stating it as fact, but I'm also not going to disregard the possibility entirely because these people are fucking unhinged.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I also think very poorly of people who don't say "this happened" but speak about it so strongly that it's clear they believe it did. If all I was seeing was questions being asked or the possibility being posed, I wouldn't be concerned. But what I've actually seen was, within hours, many people being completely convinced this was staged. This deeply concerns me.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fair enough... I try to avoid absolutes like that when it comes to shit like this.

I do think there are a whole lot of things going on to be far more concerned about at the moment though.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I do think there are a whole lot of things going on to be far more concerned about at the moment though.

Hell yes! Talking about this shit is a waste of time until actual evidence shows up. Maybe I'm wasting me time by trying to fight against it too but I keep seeing these dumb posts and I cannot just sit here silent while people make a fool out of the entire group of people who oppose trump.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Anti-MAGA crowd is just as stupid as the MAGA crowd. But these are the only assholes voting.

[–] testfactor@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Apparently I've missed that so many people are like this here.

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Human nature unfortunately