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What's an authoritarian?
State > people
So what's a non-authoritarian state?
A state the exists as a servant to a citizenry that is not limited to class or ethnicity. A state served as a safeguard to the human rights of all humans within its sovereignty.
It also serves as a mechanism to efficiently direct resources to human advancement as basic needs are automated.
You just described the PRC, and notably not capitalist dictatorships, whose governments don't represent their people / working class, but the interests of capitalists only.
You desperately need to get past this poli-sci-intro-level understanding of what states are. States are organizations of force for one class (meaning in Marxism their relationship to production) to oppress another. The USA and other liberal countries are capitalist dictatorships over workers, while the PRC is a worker's dictatorship over capital.
Here are some resources:
So, China
I meant like can you give an example of one
Also:
So like China
Finland
Finland? Where despite years of protest by the people, the state continues to buy Israeli weapons and cooperate with the zionist entity in the development of military tech and spyware? The state currently ignoring the very clear wishes of it's people in order to aid and abet a historically unpopular genocide?
The country that was a Nazi ally and didn't drop the swastika from their air force insignia until 2025? Finland the country currently implementing mass austerity while giving tax cuts to the rich? That Finland?
The Finnish Air Force swastika is such an interesting case to me, because the moment you do a google for "Finnish air force swastika", you are blasted with rationalizations: "predates nazism", "good luck charm", "innocent", "unrelated to Hitler". You get blasted with rationalizations before you can even see the history: which is that the innocent wholesome chungus dude who brought the swastika was Hermann Göring's brother in law lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen
And the fact that he was himself a leading member of the Swedish National Socialist Bloc (Nazi party)
Jesus, at this point why don't you just admit that by "non-authoritarian" you just mean "white".
What?
The liberals' brains suspiciously always stop working the exact moment they'd have to absorb inconvenient facts
You're a racist.
Finland is an imperialist country governed by capitalists.
When was the last time Finland invaded someone?
Imperialism is an epoch of international capitalism where imperialist countries plunder the global south.
2001-2021, participated in invasion of Afghanistan
Finland lost ww2 as a member of the axis. The finnish army aided in the siege and starvation of Leningrad, which was one of the worst atrocities of ww2.
After they lost the war, they ceded part of their territory to become an SSR, and were never strong enough again to challenge the eastern bloc.
Did something happen prior to that which may have made Finland less than friendly to the Soviet Union?
I wonder why they may not have wanted to ally with the country that just invaded them.
Are you excusing them for fighting enthusiatically alongside the Nazis in WW2?
The Soviets invaded Poland in conjunction with the Nazis under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, are you sure you want to go down that route now?
A)Whataboutism:)
B) Absolutely reddit brained and incorrect. The nazis invaded, the government collapsed, then the Soviets moved in from the east to evacuate civillians and secure defensive positions. This action saved 7 million people, as opposed to the Finnish participation in the Nazi seige of Leningrad which killed a million people. And that's not even getting into Finland's concentration camps.
Now what kind of person would equivocate the two, I wonder?🤔
You're misusing "whataboutism", you should drop that from your rotation.
We're not limited to one point of discussion here, etc.
Primus~ "He's a murderer, how dare he murder Bob!"
Secundus~ "That's because Bob killed his entire family!"
Primus~ "Whataboutism!"
Secundus~ "You win, I am wrong."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I know you've heard the term many times and are excited to join in... but don't.
Go back to reddit, holy shit.
Noooooooooooooo
I'm using it mockingly, it's a stupid term for exactly that reason
Finland was one of the front lines of the Russian revolution, and the whites used finland as a base of monarchist assaults and intrigues against the world's first socialist state.
The finnish communists then unfortunately lost their civil war, the finns then killed all their communists and made the communist party illegal, and became one of the fascist / reactionary powers in the 30s like nazi germany.
Territorial disputes between the whites and reds escalated during the 30s leading to the winter wars, which finland lost, then ww2, which finland also lost.
You are again siding with the reactionary side of history.
So Finland was a legitimate target because 20 years prior they were a jumping off point for the losing side of a civil war? Is that the gist?
It was actually precipitated by the Soviet's demand that the Fins cede territory that kicked off the war.
You are siding with the imperialists here.
those right wing warmongering Russophobe US bootlickers?
Didn't Russia start a now 4 year long conflict in Ukraine
Nope, they got involved in a now 12 year long conflict in Ukraine
Yeah man the 14,000 civillians killed by Azov nazis were secret Russian combatants, you don't sound Israeli at all.
No, the US nazi puppets did
The people control the state in China, though.
The communist party controls the state, and not everyone is a member.
The communist party is a working class party. What exactly do you think the purpose of a party is? And what do you think class is? You seem confused on each.
No just one out of every 14 people, which you may notice is many thousands of times more democratic than any of the western so-called democracies by percentage.
So 13 out of 14 people do not belong to the only political coalition (the 8 parties with 700,000 members total don't really count as "opposition parties") that is legally allowed in their country?
In reference to my original post, we agree that authoritarianism is bad and you are arguing the case that China and the CCP is not authoritarian, correct?
They seem to be doing a pretty good job
No. We disagree that "authoritarianism" is a meaningful distinction when every government exists by authority. Might as well call it "badguyism"
Why do you believe the "democracy perceptions index"?
Take a look at their supporters... like Palantir and Microsoft.
They have no interest in portraying China positively, when a person or source you mistrust publishes something against their best interest it makes it a lot more likely that it's true (like the CIA saying the USSR was democratic despite being enemies)
Let's be honest, if they supported your position, you would have no issue with them. You're only dismissing them out of hand because they contradict your assumptions.
Oh, two corporate entities tightly bound up with American imperialism and who therefore have every incentive to lie in the opposite direction?
Like yeah dude, it's a Harvard study, of course they're tangled up in US bourgeoisie shit. If it was a Chinese survey you'd be dismissing it for not being a Harvard study
So then every country is authoritarian, because no country is controlled by a party that every citizen is a member of.