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I hope that db0 doesn’t get defederated.
I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.
We are all on the fediverse for similar reasons, we’ll be a lot more successful trying to see the nuance in people’s views instead making enemies of each other out of righteous indignation. This goes for everyone
No you actually can't be anti-"the only group resisting genocide" while also being anti-genocide. This is like being against apartheid in south africa and telling the ANC to disarm.
You can't believe in an ethnostate settled on other peoples land and be against the government doing settlerism.
These positions are contradictory. Either you want the jewish supremacist ethnostate to settle palestine, you don't or you have no opinion. But you can't have an "israel" without jewish supremacism, that's why it's called "israel". It comes from judaism, it's about a land just for jews. You either support the palestinians right to return, or you support "israel". Because you can't have one without the other. This is not a policy thing. This is baked into the very foundation of this so-called country.
FWIW, Hamas is not the only resistance group in Palestine, just the most prominent in Gaza. There are other secular/socialist resistance groups in Palestine who aren't trying to establish an Islamic theocracy that are probably more deserving of support.
I'm aware and most support hamas, like e.g. the popular front for the liberation of Palestine
Like Lenin, I suppose I find it hard to accept a congruence between bourgeoise religious zealotry and the imperative for socialist egalitarianism.
That image, if it's even to be interpreted as authentic, doesn't indicate anything more than the united front of the communists and nationalists during the Japanese occupation of China. An alliance of convenience that postpones the inevitable reckoning of incompatible ideology.
PFLP has been allied with Hamas on a level more like NATO since 2018. Oct 7 was technically run by the "Joint Operations Room" which is Hamas and PFLP and every significant Palestinian group with fighters in Gaza. Hamas is the biggest but PFLP is in there and one of the hostage exchange priorities was freeing Nader Sadaqa, the non-Muslim Samaritan PFLP leader.
Hamas in the 1980s was a religious zealot group that hated communists more than Israelis. But Hamas has working internal democracy, members vote for the leaders and what they support drifted over time so now Islam is dialed down to being a "frame of reference" for big tent Palestinian nationalism.
Ok but if my palestinian comrades say they are the ones to support then who am I to hem and haw about ideological differences? Also comparing Hamas to KMT is rather distasteful since Hamas is a popular (as in from the populous, though they are also well-liked) movement concerned for the well being of the people it represents, whereas the KMT was feared for their indiscriminate massacres of the people.
And I don't think Lenin's thoughts apply, the russian church was more than complicit, it was an important tool in the imperial oppression of the russian working class. Hamas is not a bourgeois party, there is no gazan bourgeoisie, the religious zealotry comes from the occupying jews. It's their institutions that need to be resisted foremost.
Islam in palestine has not been allowed to develop into a dominating religion, it's not the superstructure, rather it's how the oppressed indigenous people come together, share their struggle, protest the suffering, like it was in Iran under the shah and SAVAK. A much more appropriate look is from marx
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm
but how can there be a demand for happiness while the jewish occupation exists? It needs to be abolished first.
I hope and pray (since that hasn't been made illegal here yet) for a Hamas victory and establishment of a palestinian state, where people do not have to suffer under military siege, wherein the communist struggle can bloom.
I agree with you that you can’t support the current Netanyahu government and IDF and be anti-genocide.
Hamas abducted and kills innocent people. That’s a fact. I can be anti-genocide and anti-attacks on civilians without contradicting myself.
A two-state solution is messy and complicated but it’s what the world needs. Arabs and Jews both have claims to the land throughout history. The Jews were displaced from it due to horrific antisemitism throughout history. One horrific act doesn’t deserve another. The west (and specifically the USA) needs to withhold its support, Israel can do what it’s doing specifically because it’s emboldened by western support. It’s surrounded by Arab nations that hates its people, it could be the ones being oppressed if not for the west and the west remind of that.
Do you agree that the problem is not only Netenyahu and the government but the state policies that never changed since the illegitimate creation of the state? Do you agree that war crimes do not make legitimate targets against a colonials genocidal army illigitmate?
A one-state solution is messy and complicated but it’s what the world needs.
No, Pissrael started as an explicitly colonial project. Very explicit, see e.g. the Jewish Colonial Trust. That's why Theodor Herzl contemplated writing^[https://palcit.net/article-676-i-want-you-to-put-the-stamp-of-your-authority-on-the-zionist-plan] to Cecil Rhodes (of Rhodesia infamy). That's why there is a lost generation of "Mizrahi" Jews, why they sterilised ethiopian jews without their knowledge or consent. Zionism has always been a rich white jew first ideology. And they absolutely hate arabs and muslims. Please have a read through https://www.palestineremembered.com/ its a treasure trove.
Yeah it's intriguing to me that there are those here who have a curious propensity to turning a blind eye to the legitimate war crimes of Hamas, Ayatollah, IRGC (and leaving aside their own domestic murder of citizens), Russia, and China. There seems to be a pattern here...
That's not me saying I condone the disproportionate acts of Netanyahu's far-right extremist regime either and I hope he faces charges for his war crimes.
This is the "don't let perfect be the enemy good" crowd when it comes to resisting genocide. Youre ok with the dems supporting genocide, murder of hundreds of thousands, and tell people to support them, but when the only armed resistance of a desperate people lashes out in their desperation you condemn them immediately and would likely prefer them disarmed despite the consequences for this.
The allied forces did war crimes, people did not ask Allies to stop resisting the axis forces. Same apply to Hamas. War criminals on both Israeli and Palestinian should be held accountable only after the establishment of a Palestinian state and a peace process.
Do you realize every goddamn israeli prime minister was a war criminals responsible of killing, raping and torturing palestinians? You should stop saying I oppose Netenyahu or the government , you should say I oppose Israeli state policies of colonization and genocide
I'm glad that you acknowledge the horrific acts Hamas is guilty of. So many people on Lemmy are in straight up denial or even support of Hamas' violence. It is disturbing.
You cannot be pro-Palestine and support Israel’s existence on their land.
If Zionists want to start a country in Antartica or something go for it, I’ll support that. But to steal other people’s homes for their own lebensraum is evil.
You describe the political stance of feddit.org and we were defed for our stance by db0 and anarchie.nexus.
somebody link this g*rman the thread below they banned me because they are zionists.
Yeah I thought that was a mistake by db0 as well, but ultimately their decision, whether we like it or not.
Stop. Your nuance doesn't work with the right-wing astroturfers engaging in gaslighting here lol.
Right-wingers famously pay people to agitate for land back movements?
News to me that's relevant to what TORFdot0 said?