If he'd read the words of the prophets, he'd see the Israelites were frequently driven from their land for disobeying God. The prophets said they will get the land back when God gives it to them at the end of the world. 1) It's not the end of the world and 2) God has not given them the land. I listened to an interview with a former Zionist (he met Palestinians and was like these are just people?? And we're just killing them???) and he said at the heart of Zionism is the idea that they don't need to wait for God to give them their land back; they can take it now by force! So don't hide behind the Torah. Anyone who knows anything knows that's not a valid reason.

[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean they definitely are trying to reach Nuclear Armageddon.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not a believer, but if I were a believer, I would think that the idea of trying to force God's hand with Nuclear Holocaust sure sounds like heresy.

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Christians: Satan is conniving and always trying to lead believers away from god.

Evangelicals: God actually wants us to kill every person on the planet so we can all go to heaven.

How does the average Christian not see evangelicals as the foot soldiers of Satan?

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

The avg christian is an evangelical (at least in America). When I arrived to America, I was horrified. I was an atheist for a good long while.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I am a (Liberation Theology) Catholic, and, while I lack statistical data, I suspect the Catholic Church has similar problems to Evangelicals. Evangelicals get (almost exclusively) the bad fame because they are (at least here in Brazil) a new movement, and a minority. Also, they are very "conspicuous" (to use a polite word!), with ministers (including politicians) yelling and using violent and prejudiced terms, and even speaking "in tongues".

But conservative Catholics cause a similar amount of evil, while being more sophisticated. In Brazil, representative Marcel van Hattem is an evil maniac, and people don't associate him with Catholic theocracy but he was installed by Catholic money.

In Spain, a bitter ex-member of Opus Dei denounced: every male Opus Dei member volunteered to fight alongside the Nazis in WWII to kill the Red Army (which was Mankind greatest hope against the Nazis). Opus Dei spokesperson did not deny it; he "contextualized" it by saying every other Catholic organization is Spain did the same. And the brutal fascist Franco himself was installed and maintained with very strong Catholic (and Nazi) support.

The Ukrainian Catholic authorities collaborated with the Nazi Army. As late as September 2025 the Vatican News justified this Nazi collaboration because it was done not out of "ideological sympathy", but to free Ukraine from the Soviets. Excuse me? Nazis hated Slavs (such as Ukrainians) about as much as they hated blacks, gays and Jews. They would colonize Ukraine with genocide and ethnic cleansing. And that is justified because you wanted capitalism back?

This reads like this: we admit we sacrificed a million children and drank their blood to summon Lucifer and make him absolute King, but it was only a pragmatic pact with Satan for political goals, so it is OK!

These same people say a raped woman cannot have an abortion because the ends do not justify the means.

https://www.vaticannews.va/pt/mundo/news/2025-09/essurreicao-stalin-russia-putin-pe-stefano-caprio.html

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Even if it was verbatim in the Torah it would still not be a valid reason because it's just a book.

[–] jorge@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Breno Altman, a secular Jew, is a very prominent Brazilian anti-Zionist journalist. He explains that the political doctrine of Zionism enacted a religious reform. The traditional doctrine 'Israel will be rebuilt after the Messiah comes" was replaced by "the Messiah will come after Israel is rebuilt". Some Orthodox Jews still refuse this reform and are anti-Zionist.

Altman also says that equating anti-Zionism with antisemitic racism is analogous to equating anti-Nazism with anti-German racism.

Breno Altman even got a criminal conviction (which would cause prison term) for his anti-Zionist journalism. Last I checked, he was appealing it.

I really like him. He is extremely knowledgeable about history and politics. His family has roots in anti-Zionism and communism. Two great-aunts of him volunteered to take arms and fight the Nazis. One was fatally shot. The other was buried alive. One grandfather was a member of the Brazilian Communist Party (PCB). When he heard about Khrushchev's Secret Speech, he lost his sanity and later took his life.

Breno Altman, besides reporting and analyzing news, makes very interesting lectures on Historical subjects. His lectures on the Russian Revolution and Stalin are very interesting. When asked about Stalin's greatest mistakes, his first reply was "supporting the creation of the State of Israel".

He claims he has no relation to Sam Altman, despite the shared surname and Sam Altman being (I think) also a Jew.

[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

I didn't know that this reversal had taken place! It is strange to me how this doesn't appear to Zionists as outright heresy. I guess it's not terribly unlike evangelicals thinking they can rush Jesus' return by nuking the planet.