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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by arsCynic@piefed.social to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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Because of the ubiquity, nay, monopoly of systemd I always assumed it was miles ahead of other init systems. Nope. I've been using a non-systemd environment for a while and must say I'm surprised by how little breaks, i.e., next to nothing. Moreover, boot and shutdown times are faster, and more of that good stuff. I suggest trying it out.

https://nosystemd.org/.

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[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Its built antithetically to the unix principles, it uses binlogs, its slow and its a big ol' bloated mess on low-memory embedded devices, and seemingly is creeping into the whole system.

Also the original author has since fucked off to microslop so I don't care what he thinks or does.

It, as a project, also bent the fucking knee.

[–] marmalade@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh hey it's the same nonsense people have been saying for a decade now.

First of all, Linux is not Unix, and Unix principles were developed in like the fuckin 80s when what a computer is and does was different from what it is and does today. I'm betting you also use other software that doesn't follow the 'Unix' philosophy all the damn time, like, I dunno, the browser you used to post this nonsense. It was a guiding principle, not meant to be a dogmatic religious ideology. Also it not being the best choice for low memory embedded devices doesn't mean anything. It was designed for the desktop. These are very different platforms with very different needs. That's like complaining that the wheels on my car don't let it fly.

Also, bent the knee to who?

[–] greyfrog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Really? Okay, so curl. You use it everyday. How's that using 'unix' principles?

You're just parroting the same old tired arguments.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Curl does exactly one thing and it does it very well.

Systemd aspires to do all the things and does nothing very well.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

careful! advocating against systemd in this community will get you branded for heresy. lol

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

That old load of bullshit again. You could swap out the logs if you want a shittier, less searchable (but text based) logging system. The rest can be countered in a similarly conclusive way, and has been repeatedly in the last decade or so.

Inform yourself before copy-pasting misinformation and misleading propaganda.

[–] Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

less searchable

text based

I don't know how you reach this conclusion, the format has been standardized for decades.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can you add more fields? Is there no ambiguity in context switching? No breakage around whitespace?

If so, sure, that's fine then.

[–] Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They both get ingested into Splunk (or whatever tool is used by the company) in any context where this would be a problem. It's one of those things that in practice has never been a problem in my experience.

By the point/scale that context switching, log injection (forging) whitespace is a concern, I'm not piping shell commands. It's over engineered.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Nah, the issue is accidental corruption, different parsers doing things differently, stuff like that. Happens often with “mostly text but actually some structured data also” formats, doesn't happen with formats that have well specified framing.