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Orbán era is over, as Tisza scores historic victory in Hungary (euobserver.com)
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[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago

was beneficial to both side ... could have seen it coming

China producing everything is also beneficial to both sides but we know what it means. Airbus was created to prevent dependency. IT technology is more important. Russia has its own search engine, we don't have one. That's not short-sightedness, that is closing eyes.

if you are really that naive and truly believe that Putin ever intended to see the EU member states as equal partners.

I guess I am. How could Putin be able to succeed in domination? I can't imagine that he is that deluded. He has to mean equal terms when he says it.

And if you can’t see that colonial empires are based on oppression and exploitation I can’t help you either.

To me it looks like we are staying in and becoming even more part of the US empire. Can you see that? We have our projects, but e.g. all the space stuff, we can't compete on launch costs and there is no improvement in sight.

Maybe read how the old East Block worked economically, communist economy aside it was just the same old story.

It's fundamentally different. The West was successful because we exploited Africa and Asia. The much smaller East couldn't compensate. It's like Cuba in big with the difference that it is not Cuba's decision to be isolated. China did the joined market and is thriving. The USSR wanted to correct and got dismantled in the process, thanks to Yeltsin.

The Capitalists have managed to frame Communism as Russian imperialism while it was done by a Georgian and later continued by a Ukrainian. There are ethnic elements but it was also Russia who left the USSR. Are Russians to blame when a Georgian resettles them?

Of course it has but it is not nearly as total ~~as you seem to believe~~ and it is rooted in Europe’s dependence.

I believe that. That's enough.

If your world view held any water, hardly any of those would exist.

The US don't need total control. They just need enough that Europe stays dependent and they can e.g. bomb Iran without the EU treating it like that other war of aggression which would call for sanctioning the US.

The fading away of the Western European Union was certainly a consequence of US opposition

What do you mean?

That does not change the fact that a unified Europe within the EU is the only realistic chance for European autonomy

To an extend. I don't think we have to become a unified European state. Once we do, Brussels will be conquered like Washington.

Also don't forget that creating an economic zone with the Russian Federation could be an option and could turn the EU into a major power. Combine it with a capital tax and it could become something where we don't fear for our autonomy but can be a guardian of freedom.

The difficult part would be to find a form that doesn't threaten the US.

without being vassals of either the US or Russia, which is as I said, the key reason why the US and the Russian regime are firing with all their propaganda might against the EU nowadays and you appear to have completely fallen for it. was beneficial to both side

I think the US and Russia shouldn't be seen as the same. The EU will remain a vassal of the US because we are at war with Russia and can't play them against each other, or even pull Russia into our fold. Russia has more land but we are bigger.

We say that the US is not our friend anymore but we continue to install Palantir and we condemn Iran's reaction but not the US attack. We say one thing but do the other.