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Plenty of other economic systems also made people to work under threat of starvation.
Unless the Romans and Greeks were capitalists, too.
Not like capitalism. It has a marketing scheme where it gives you the illusion of free will and choices.
that’s cool. we live under none of those systems. focus on the one we are beholden to and don’t distract as if there is some sort of contest.
I’m just trying not to replace this with something worse.
But since I know history I get to watch humans make the same mistakes over and over again.
Fun fact: not questioning capitalism inevitably leads to EXTRA awfulness added as the people at the top use their outsized wealth and influence to remake society based on their stupid and/or selfish ideas.
Capitalism sucks ass, for its own unique reasons and for reasons it shares with other economic systems.
If it’s replaced with another system with clocks and pants and jobs I’ll hate that one too.
Yup. You can stop there.
No need to tack on the whataboutism in a transparent attempt to argue in favor of it without being seen doing so.
I will not have my honor impugned by suggesting I support a system with pants.
Then leave out the unnecessary "but other systems are bad too" whataboutism 🤷🏻
Do those systems have pants? Then I think they’re bad, too.
Again, that's not the point.
With the possible exception of fundamentalist anarcho-primitism, all systems tend to involve pants one way or the other.
That DOESN'T preclude you from criticizing the system currently ruining the world more than any other without a whataboutism caveat.
I’ve long ago come to terms with the fact that I will never be truly happy.
But I’m not going to pretend I like pants.
That part's fair, I guess 🤷🏻
We should work on replacing then, it's clear that the way things are has to go
It's not just economic systems. Every animal works under the threat of starvation.
Just watch a nature documentary. Grazing animals have to eat for hours a day just to eat enough to avoid starvation, and they have to constantly be on the lookout for predators. Predators need to take down one of those grazing animals on a regular basis or they starve.
There has never been a way of living that didn't involve working to avoid starving. When humans developed agriculture, it finally meant that when things were going well starvation was something that might be months away instead of weeks away.
There has never been an economic system where everybody could just be creative and rest all day and not work. That may be true of some elites at the top, but it will always be a small minority of people while everyone else works.
You can always hope that that work will become more pleasant, or that there will be less of it. Work used to be sun-up to sun-down, 6 days a week. Our ancestors fought and died for laws that reduced this to only 8 hours a day and only 5 days a week. Work these days is mostly done indoors, mostly in heated or air-conditioned spaces. It doesn't tend to maim you, or require repetitive movements that eventually cripple you.
People should definitely keep fighting for more. They should join unions so they're not having to fight on their own. But, nobody should be deluded into think it's abnormal to have to work to live.
Most animals spend most of their time doing nothing
And there’s no clocks. Or pants.
Fuck work.
Maybe read the whole thing.
Animals don't want pants. Humans want pants and netflix and adult colouring books. If humans were willing to spend 8 hours a day, every day, lounging on a rock instead, then they could get by with doing a lot less work for money.
Nope, just slavers, not wage slavers. The dynamics of power are eternal, merely the forms change. One hopes at some point we evolve.
“Nooo!! We need hierarchy!!! If there’s no one to tell me what to do I won’t know what to do!” - everybody every time I bring up hierarchy.