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America is keeping their unsinkable carrier afloat by itself. Trade is not support.
Why is “Boycott” a part of BDS then? Trade is absolutely support
Because we are not countries? Consumption is not trade.
Also, this requires you to believe that China is playing both sides here which nakes no sense considering how important Iran is for China and how unimportant Israel is for them.
The “Boycott” part of BDS doesn’t just apply to consumers though, the bigger part is to pressure organizations and the state do boycott all economic activity with the Zionist entity, in the same way that countries cut off economic activity with South Africa.
The ideal goal isn’t just you the consumer not buying Sabra hummus from your local grocery store, it’s your grocery store not having it to sell you because your government has banned the import of Israeli products.
Trade IS support, in particular when it’s completely unnecessary. It’s one thing to buy crucial energy supplies or something like that, but Israel doesn’t produce anything important, just weapons. China gains little to nothing by having a relationship with Israel except another (small) market. Israel gains quite a lot by having a relationship with China, they get to purchase goods to improve the lives of their settler population.
Hell that’s exactly what sanctions are! Cutting off trade! And that’s the biggest goal of BDS!
I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that China’s relationship with Israel is one of the worst things they do, and in general they are perfectly willing to do business with the worst criminals on earth and refuse to use their economic weight to push for anything except China making more money.
The thing is, boycotts have never really worked. Some companies might agree to the demands, but even then it has a tinge of "this is good for PR" to it.
Has any government dropped Israel as a trading partner? Would it matter? The US and Germany seem to be supplying the entire arsenal of Israel and they most certainly are not going to stop because of some boycott.
Sanctions also never really work unless it is american lead against a poor, small nation like Cuba or the DPRK. As soon as the sanctioned country is stronger than that it just doesn't work. Russia seems to be okay and they had been sanctioned as well and even the DPRK is doing fine-ish thanks to nukes and Russia & China.
Especially the genocidal, unsinkable aircraft carrier called Israel is obviously going to be okay throughout Chinese sanctions. They just get a blank cheque from the EU and US anyway because Israel is the most important imperial tool they have.
Additionally, this entire thread has people talking about China doing an american style sanction with pressuring other countries into stopping trade with Israel as well. That will absolutely be considered an act of war by the west and i hope i don't need to explain why that is a terrible idea.
Another part is that China is ML and analyses history through diamat and know that an empire that is crashing is extremely volatile, so attacking their most important control element directly would be disastrous.
Your entire comment hinges on the fact that china is just doing this one random unspeakable evil (in your mind) for...money? It seems like you have not understood China as an anti-imperialist, socialist state yet.
They mostly help with intel and providing weapons or building their factories, things that can't easily be marketed as an attack on the west. China is building a world where anti-imperialist action can even take place and the US hegemony is dead. They wouldn't be able to do that if they were as aggressive as y'all want them to be.
Has Iran even asked China for this? That's another thing i dislike about Hexbearians, y'all always try to be some saviour. Maybe let the actual anti-imperialists work together how they want?
BDS is modeled on methods that were successful in overthrowing South African apartheid. They worked then.
Yes, several, none of the large important ones though. Syria, Lebanon, and Iran, even prior to the current conflict, have no trade with Israel. I don’t believe Cuba or the DPRK do either. Most Arab states used to, but over the years were pushed by the Americans into normalizing relations.
The point is to disrupt the settler project. Israelis are the biggest treatlerites on the planet, making Americans look like they’ve contentedly taken a vow of poverty. If you disrupt the treats, it becomes a lot harder to get settlers to stay. If China supplies 8% of consumer goods that’s a large portion of the treats.
Israel tiny country! Size of New Jersey!
Well I just fundamentally disagree with your analysis here, I think Israel causes the west far more trouble than it’s worth and is not even helpful for our imperial ambitions, along with causing internal collapse in the imperial core. The strait of Hormuz is closed because of Israel. Oil is approaching $200 a barrel because of Israel. Europeans are going to freeze to death this winter, because of Israel.
The Palestinians have asked for this. BDS is a Palestinian movement, and this is in fact what they ask for.
I believe the more important force here was the organized, militant resistance of the South African working class and oppressed masses. China is offering help in that department already.
Boycotts will not work against Israel though. Israel is deeply integrated into global capitalism, in technology, military hardware, cybersecurity, and finance.
Unlike apartheid South Africa, which was largely a raw materials exporter and therefore more vulnerable to disinvestment.
The US, Germany, and the UK actively shield Israel diplomatically and economically, providing billions in military aid and trade deals that offset boycott effects.
Duh. Not the point. Obviously the direct victims of the genocidal entity won't trade with said entity just for national security reasons alone.
Is the DPRK even allowed to trade with anyone other than China and Russia? Afaik they are sanctioned and blocked by the US and no one can even trade with the DPRK.
That obviously won't be allowed to happen. Do you genuinely think that the settlers and reserve army are just allowed to leave their station? America is calling the shots here. It would just be made illegal to leave and i will be honest, I don't think the settler civillians would leave anyway because they are too invested in Israel.
Did you actually think i meant physical size?😭😭
The fuck you mean "my analysis"? They literally told us over multiple decades that Israel is their most important project. Biden famously said over his entire career that, if Israel didn't exists, they would need to invent it.
Like, how can you look at the entire situation right now and not conclude that the west asian region ("middle east") is very important to control and that Israel is obviously the most vital part in that plan?
God, whenever i switch to Hexbear threads, the quality of analysis just plummets hard.
Mf actually just said that that Israel, the imperialist settler nation created by Germany, UK and the US, is not helpful for their imperial ambitions. Why tf do you think they burn so much money and political goodwill of their own people for Israel? Shits and giggles?
Israel is the last hope of the US to still have hegemony in their claws. These attacks are not random, but rather the US believing that the point of no return is about to be crossed by China and Iran and that they need to act now or fully lose their hegemony and imperial control.
America started this war and genocide. Israel is not to be seen as an independent force. You clearly fell for the "israel is controlling US" propaganda. Please tell me you at least don't believe that Israel is controlling trump via the epstein files😭
Cool. Didn't ask about them though. China is only working via official channels to keep important diplomatic ties alive and as far as i know, the official "state" has not asked for any such thing. Even if they did, China can't do much because of all the other reasons i mentioned
Again, China intervening more than they have already, would be seen as acts of war. Any sanction against Israel is innefective due to the aforementioned protection from the west and any effective sanction would need to include those countries as well.
I, again, hope that i do not need to tell you why that would be disastrous.
Any Hexbear thread of China devolves into people just going "Hey, why doesn't China just casually start WW3?)