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[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They still had it, and it's the same crimes. Also life in prison is objectively more cruel.

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Prison is objectively more reversible too.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not really, no. Time flows in one direction.

Just because you stop torturing someone doesn't mean you didn't do it in the first place. Saying 'oops sorry for torturing you for the crimes you committed, we're different now and those aren't crimes anymore' isn't recompense nor does it mean you reverse the situation. It means you did something irreversible and now you feel guilty. There is no ability to make one whole again.

And again, Murder, corruption, and treason are the three crime categories that get the death penalty in China; that has to be supported by evidence that passes both judicial and jury scrutiny; with the defendant receiving the benefit of the doubt with any unclear evidence or allegations.

This mirrors the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' standard of English law based countries; but more than that they also get appeals.

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What I'm saying is you can't un-kill someone, everything else up to that point is a lot more reversible if that does end up coming into question. Now I'm not saying the whole experience isn't going to leave its mark but there's literally no going back once you've made someone dead. It's one of the bigger issues behind the ethics of the death penalty.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

While that is a point that can be made, if you're bringing into question the validity of the judgement of a state you have bigger problems that need to be addressed first; because it is not more ethical to torture someone that knows they're innocent for decades in hopes a less corrupt society magically develops to save them.