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Syrian refugee Mouhamad Al Jalmoud killed two and severely injured after failing to stop at a red light in Hamilton, Ont.

Guy didn't even have a valid Canadian Drivers License.

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[–] LycanGalen@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There is pearl clutching every time an article about an NCR determination is shared here, and it shows how much the average person doesn't know about our legal system. So here's an overview of Not Criminally Responsible:

The 6 months mentioned in this article was the time taken to assess them, ensure they're fit to stand trial, and the trial itself. It's not a standard time, these cases usually take forever.

Assuming the person is found fit to stand trial, the judge will remand them to the forensic psychiatry department where they will be assessed 24/7 by a team of senior psychiatric professionals. No one working here is fresh out of school; they all have years of experience, and have expertise in symptoms and treatments of mental health issues. They can dell the difference between a personality disorder and psychosis, and because there is always a team of professionals around, they figure out if someone is trying to fake an illness pretty damn quickly.

The unit staff are tasked with many things, including stabilising the individual prior to their court appointment whenever possible. More central to the main NCR conversation is them determining whether the person was aware of their actions, and the consequences of their actions at the time they committed the crime. If they were aware of both or either, they are not considered NCR. Once the assessment is complete, the lead psychiatrist will be summoned to court to present their findings and expert testimony. With that information, the judge will determine whether the individual is NCR or not.

Assuming they are found NCR, they are then under the purview of a board which consists of 5 people: the chair; who has a legal background (judge/lawyer), a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, a layperson, and one other individual who can be a second of any of the other 4 roles.

The board determines the requirements to keep the community safe, as well as what is needed to keep the individual healthy. This means the board decides where this person can live, who they must live with (someone responsible for them), where they can go, who they can see, what they can do, what they may purchase (if relevant to their charge), what they may own, what medications and treatments they must undergo, how often they must be in contact with forensic psychiatry supports, their lawyer, and the board. None of that is optional, and if they fail to comply, either by choice or illness, the police will bring them back to remand.

Unlike a guilty charge, there is no end date for being NCR. This will be this person's life for the foreseeable future, until the board determines that they have been mentally stable, compliant, and self-managing for a long enough time as to no longer be considered a risk. For anyone who has experience with the illnesses/conditions that tend to contribute to these situations (psychosis, dementia, certain types of brain damage, etc.), they can attest that these illnesses do not -do- stability. This means most people who are NCR have their lives controlled by a board for a very, very long time. Much longer than the jail term would have been, had they not been found NCR.

This isn't the "get out of jail free" card media has portrayed it to be. And if you made it to the bottom of this essay, congrats: you now know a crap tonne more about how our legal system works than the average Canadian.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ill admit the indefinite supervision part usually gets overshadowed. Its the best place for him but there was a far better time and set of circumstances for it which was when he arrived

It just sucks that it always takes citizens first being aggregiously harmed to the point of total destruction for the system to do what it should have been doing as a condition of admission. How hard would it be to supervise them while they adjust and make sure they've been evaluated by hired government psychiatrists dealing with refugees etc to make sure they are stable or they are moved along to the help they need in a safe, detached environment?

All these arguments essentially saying "Compassion, fucknuts" miss how uncompassionate and irresponsible it is to after taking in likely traumatized, vulnerable people and expecting them to drop all their habits and cultural baggage such that they're just one of the gang now and everyone'll be fine. If they qualify for asylum they've been thru some shit, they need intensive care and reintegration, not daddies credit card to max out and go wild. Thats insane but its the universal policy i guess

[–] LycanGalen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I agree, it is horrible that it takes people dying for some of these folks to get help. I do think that your focus on the trauma of refugees is slightly misplaced. Refugees and immigrants are not over-represented in the NCR population. There are more elderly Canadian-born men, Rich Canadian-born women, and Canadian-born college students than there are refugees who are NCR - just like there are more of those demographics at the macro level in Canada. This indicates it has less to do with habits and cultural baggage, and much more to do with Canada's lack of accessible mental health support for all residents. We have no insights into this particular individual, however, most people deemed NCR have prior history of accessing mental health support; or attempting, but failing, to access those supports. Our healthcare systems are not set up to ensure people with mental health difficulties have access to the level of care that would be needed to proactively intervene, or keep communities safe.

It's also troubling that this incident happened immediately after engaging with Law enforcement. This indicates a lack of training and/or investment in the person they were engaging: The officers stopped this individual, who was driving erratically with no license, and did not recognize that this person was unsafe to drive. It's disheartening that lives could have been saved if these officers had picked up on this person entering a PTSD attack. It unfortunately reflects a larger issue of law enforcement being ill prepared/ill supported (be that burnout/compassion fatigue, or just not having access to social workers/community deescalation supports) and it resulting in people being hurt/killed when mental health is a factor.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you would have addressed any of the facts of this situation you might have a point.

[–] LycanGalen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Al Jamoud was found Not Criminally Responsible. The article you linked, and most mainstream media hype this as "a criminal getting away scott free" I addressed the fact he was found NCR, and what that actually means, the safety measures put in place, and how they are assessed.

But sure, bud, whatever you say.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A jury found him guilty. Are they now racist? A judge sentenced him to 6 years prison. racist? The point of article, and opinions of many Canadians is the appeal process has lost site of justice.

[–] LycanGalen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Are you reading anything you're commenting on? Where in anything I've posted here, have I mentioned racism?

The NCR charge in relation to the two deaths cannot be appealed.

What is being appealed is the charge of driving without a license, and endangerment: the charges placed by the police when he was originally pulled over. His lawyer is appealing those charges because that's what defence lawyers do. The lawyer is literally doing his job.