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PPS: Please at least TRY to read the following (if possible, not just the title) with an open mind and in a spirit of tolerance. It was written in good faith by a Linux user who will be staying on Linux.

PPPS: Among all the mean-spirited downvoting and insults and calumny (hey, this is social media) I actually learned a few useful things from this discussion. Perhaps the highlight was the tip about an obscure crowdfunded project which really fits the bill. Too late this time but I'm hopeful such projects, including Pine and Framework, might be become more available and more affordable in future.

I'm frustrated. Once again, I have had to buy a computer I didn't want in order to stay on Linux.

Some background. Compared to most people in this forum, I am a somewhat normal computer user. That is, I have not touched a mouse in decades, I use a small lightweight low-end laptop (which is not slow on Linux), and I do not take anything to pieces. To be clear, I'm a programmer and a massive FOSS idealist. But I've never been interested in hardware, and in this respect I'm a complete normie. Let's not forget that for most ordinary people, a "computer" these days is the tethered corporate toy in their pocket.

For me this slide away from free personal computing is now getting impossible to ignore.

  • 20 years ago I could buy a laptop (a Fujitsu) from a major European electronics retailer which came with a Linux CD - a Linux CD! (Kanotix, a Debian variant).
  • In the late 2010s, I had a nice choice of cheap Taiwanese Wintel netbooks. So there was a Windows tax to pay but at least the hardware worked fine.
  • 4 years ago, the options were getting thin on the ground. For 400€ I could find only one Linux-compatible X86 laptop, made by Acer. And since I didn't have a Linux live USB, I had to (fake-) register the thing with Microsoft in order to get access to the damn web.
  • Today, there's almost nothing left. Intel laptops have all but disappeared from the budget aisle, replaced by ARM-powered Chromebooks and, increasingly, big Android tablets with keyboards. Putting non-spyware Linux on these things is often possible, sort of, but it's a nightmare. You're back to the 2010 era of ROM-flashing on Android, using repos from random developers and wading through impenetrable forum discussions. It's a massive PITA. This is not the way computing should be done, and normal users will never do it even if they were capable. It's hardly secure either.

The geeky suggestion which I can hear coming, "buy a secondhand Thinkpad", is not a proper solution. It's a band-aid fix with a timeout (PS: meaning it's on the way to EOL). Hardware from the likes of Tuxedo and Framework is nice but too heavy (PS: correction, Framework is not heavy) and way too expensive for me. The Pinebook Pro is always out of stock.

And anyway, for years I have wanted to move from a laptop to a convertible tablet (like the Surface or Lenovo's Yoga and Duet lines). It makes so much sense ergonomically and even in terms of maintenance. (Keyboards have moving parts. I have to change my Acer because it has a faulty keyboard which cannot be fixed except professionally at prohibitive cost. Crazy.) But none of these computers are easily compatible with Linux. It's possible, yes, but hardly simple.

I considered, for a fleeting moment, throwing in the towel. After 20 years.

And then bought yet another laptop, basically the same model as last time except a Chromebook. I know I'll get an OS I control onto it without too much stress. That's a relief. But I'm more worried than ever about how this story is going to end.

PS: I should have predicted the bitterness and negativity and cynicism I would provoke simply by sharing my thoughts and feelings in good faith. Social media is absolutely incorrigible. In the meantime I will of course be staying on Linux, as I thought I described.___

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't understand. First, usually laptop keyboards are pretty easily replaceable, there should be teardown videos for just about anything on YouTube. You shouldn't need to pay a professional, or buy a whole new laptop.

But even if you do, it's just "buy laptop, install Linux". Yes you may need to troubleshoot some driver issues if the manufacturer doesn't target Linux, but that's part and parcel of using Linux. If you want something that Just Works, buy a Mac (and use MacOS, not Asahi Linux on it).

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The teardown video is available. It's a 100-stage process involving specialized tools. I know my limits.

But even if you do, it’s just “buy laptop, install Linux”.

Not for less than a grand it isn't. Not today. For reasons outlined. Go and check. The situation has changed.

buy a Mac

So you don't think it's a big deal if non-techie users without 1000 bucks to spare cannot use a computer with an OS under their control? I do.

Disappointed with the flippancy (not to mention predictably bitterness and mockery) of the comments here. I want FOSS to succeed. I thought people here too did.

[–] marighost@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not for less than a grand it isn't.

My dad just bought a shop-standard Lenovo for $600~ and I slapped Mint on it with 0 issues.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I just went on Dell's site and found a surprising number of cheap Intel laptops that run Windows. That is, not Android or ChromeOS, a real full OS.

Only the premium ones support Linux out of the box, but I've had very few issues with Linux on Dells at work. At home I have one of the newer cheap Thinkpads, and it had no issues with Debian. I think OP is trolling, because nothing they're saying lines up with reality, and they're changing their story in almost every comment.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Why would you make accusations like this? I don't get the meanness of spirit of people on social media, I just don't. Why is it so hard to accept that somebody would write a post stating their experiences and observations and not have some kind of dark ulterior motive? I just do not get it.

Actually, having read your first paragraph I went to Dell's site and I was just about to offer some comments, but now I see the second, full of insult and calumny, and I find I don't have the energy to bother.