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[–] LLMhater1312@piefed.social 121 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Pretty sure Democrats doing nothing to stop the genocide in gaza was a factor to their detriment in the election, bots aside

[–] manxu@piefed.social 81 points 3 days ago (82 children)

Even knowing that Trump was going to actively help Bibi? That's the thing I didn't understand: sure, the Democrats were not doing much to stop the slaughter, but from the previous Trump administration we knew Trump was going to actively help.

[–] DeckPacker@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The demorcrats would also have gone to war with Iran, if Israel wanted it. Notice how almost none of the majour dems have really condemned the war in Iran, even though it would have been massively electorally advantageous for them?

Maybe they would have done the war more carefully / competently, but they are slaves to the exact same forces of capital, that pushed Trump towards the war.

[–] thlibos@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 day ago

Imagine being so disingenuous that you actually believe (or at least want others to think you do) that we just didn't know whether Trump would be worse than Harris on Palestine, Iran, and every other fucking thing possible for that matter. I never used to hold much creedence with the whole paid russian or chinese actors angle, even back in 2016. It is becoming more and more difficult to rationally explain how anybody actually living in the US could, with a straight face, make equivalency arguments between Trump and Clinton, Biden, or Harris. It does, however, seem like a perfectly rational act for foreign actors who just want to accelerate their replacement of the US as hegemon to take.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 47 points 3 days ago (32 children)

Ok, but you see how massively demoralizing this conversation is, right?

Making logical points weighing up two distinct yet similar stances on genocide is only going to suppress voter turnout.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (29 children)

It shouldn't. It's basic harm reduction.

One side probably won't stop it, but they're on our side so there's a sliver of a cintilla of a chance we could pressure them into it.

The other side absolutely would not, vocally stated he would help accelerate it, and would laugh in our faces and do even more to accelerate it for no other reason than it made us mad.

The choice should have been obvious, even if I and everyone else would have preferred better options.

[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (23 children)

See people aren't exclusively machines.

I know people who felt that both sides at least tacitly supporting the genocide was so depressing that for their mental health they basically checked out of politics.

No, that response isn't helpful, but it's a very real thing that happens to real people. They needed a candidate that cared that people's lives were ending across the sea, and neither side offered that.

That hurt Kamala's chances in a very real way, and might even be the deciding factor for Trump's second term.

While you and I can look at this and go "Wow, that's not logical, she's way better than Trump", the Democratic campaign should have had political scientists and psychologists that knew about this well-documented phenomenon. I imagine they did, and ignored it, because siding against Israel would've cost money.

So while it's true that the choice was still objectively obvious, it's also completely true that the Democratic campaign absolutely mishandled it, because this isn't some new phenomenon, and group human psychology isn't unpredictable. It's also not the fault of those who didn't vote because of that.

[–] thlibos@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

While you and I can look at this and go “Wow, that’s not logical, she’s way better than Trump”, the Democratic campaign should have had political scientists and psychologists that knew about this well-documented phenomenon. I imagine they did, and ignored it, because siding against Israel would’ve cost money.

At the very least maybe the Dem party should have been smart enough lie publically that they would censor Israel and reevaluate US support of Israel (even if they wouldn't actually follow through). It's almost like losing is preferable to risking any AIPAC $.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 days ago

What is more the "Democrat are bad because Palestine" was the opposition's framing. The argumeny was pretty unanimous that the policy on Palestine was going to cost the Democrats the election. The Democrats were bad because they knew full well they were going to choose to lose over changing that policy.

And that's just tunnel visioning at only the Israeli policy.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

sure, the Democrats were not doing much to stop the slaughter

They were selling weapons to enable the genocide you're downplaying by refusing to call it a genocide.

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Doing nothing to stop it, cheering on Universities and police that beat and punished protesters, refusing to let Ruwa Romman or anyone else anti-genocide speak at their convention, etc.

Their policy was bad and they were assholes about it at every opportunity. It's honestly amazing she got as many votes as she did.

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