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That sounds eerily like Reddit at the same time. I was absolutely lambasted for speaking up about Harris’ messaging on Israel and such.
Lemmy may not be quite as different from Reddit as we want to claim.
Definitely not. In fact, we gotta realize that a lot of people are here because they were too extreme for Reddit. So we are like the nerdier, meaner, more anti-social reddit.
I still like the idea of Lemmy, but the attitude of a lot of people here is turning me off. So many users seem to think censorship and exclusion are perfectly fine, as long as it's the 'correct' side doing it. They don't realize they're acting exactly like the Republicans they claim to hate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
Again, being called out on your bullshit isn't the same thing as being "censored." If you're feeling "excluded," well, that's what happens when you're wrong and refuse to see it.
Me saying that I support third parties because I was unhappy with both democrat and republican parties, isn't being "called out" on my "bullshit." It was fucking censorship.
I was called a nazi and a racist and a Trumper for saying that. None of it was true. How is that being called out?
Do you realize that what you said about Harris in your comments, would have been ban-worthy back in 2024 just before the election? Do you think that's ok?!
Because of the way the US electoral system works, supporting a third party is equivalent to supporting the candidate you wanted least. You were helping Trump, in factual and objective reality, whether you admit it or not. And helping Trump means those labels fit.
And having your feelings hurt because somebody accurately described what you did still isn't censorship, no matter how much you want to pretend it to be.
LOL. I did say those things back then, and yet I'm still here. QED.
Which you perpetuate by yelling at people, and trying to discourage them from vote third party. If every single person that was fed up, balled up and voted third party, then shit would change. But nah, you keep screaming at them and confusing them.
Not me. You don't confuse me or scare me. :)
I doubt you said those things in Oct and Nov of 2024. But hey if ya did, and managed to not get banned, good for ya. But lots of people were heavily brigaded and banned for saying stuff like that in October 2024.
And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle.
Expecting a third party to win a US presidential election was straight-up delusional. Even when it's Theodore fucking Roosevelt it still doesn't happen! And that was someone with the name-recognition and supporter base of having already been President before!!!
The only way a third party could become viable is if voting reform happened first, by replacing one of the two major parties from within and getting it passed.
I discourage voting third party in the presidential general election! because it is objectively fucking moronic.
Refusing to be dissuaded from being objectively wrong isn't something to brag about.
Fine, if we're going to stop believing each other, then I think you were lying about being doxxed and have a gang-stalking delusion. Happy now?
Another motte-and-bailey fallacy, BTW.
Well yeah, because you added you little disclaimer. Imagine if you didn't have that disclaimer, you'd have had a much different reaction. lol
I proudly voted third party then, and I'll proudly vote third party again if democrats keep making the same mistakes.
(BTW, I edited my comment to delete that line because I posted it before completing the thought. But thank you for quoting it, because now I have a chance to address it in a less unwieldy wall of text.)
By "little disclaimer," do you mean the "but vote for her anyway because the alternative was worse" part? No shit I wrote that every time, because that was the main part of my point! It wasn't some sly tactic to appease the mods; it was the important thing I was trying to convey to people like you!
Anyway, what I meant to continue with is this: I don't think I was alone in having that attitude. In fact, I claim that many, if not most, of the people you characterize as full-throated Harris supporters trying to censor you were actually very reluctantly Harris-voting progressives and leftists desperately trying to get you to stop making the worst possible outcome happen.
And also the part that kept you from getting your comments removed and censored. Which is my main point. Lemmy should be open enough not to remove comments (unless outright hate and/or illegal) just because someone has a different view on things.
Luckilly, that's changed lately. I see a huge shift turning. Not it's not nearly as controversial or ban-worthy to say ya like third parties and will vote that way.
And I can be on board for that. What I am not on board is the hate, and the ban hammer. Disagree with me and say so, cool. Calling me a nazi and racist though, not so cool. The amount of censorship, i.e. removing comments and banning was uncalled for. I legit got banned from several different instances. Yet, I didn't say anything more controversial than what you and I have been discussing and saying in this thread.
To your point, yeah, it was a different time in 2024. My point is that it should never have been that way. Lemmy should be better. Again, it is getting better about that now.
The great thing about Lemmy, and the reason I am still here, is because of the idea that one person or group can't permaban you from all of Lemmy. So I was able to start fresh and avoid the doxxers (yes, I had three, but I suspect was same person, so...) and the downvote brigaders.
Now I have several different usernames on several different instances. So I'm def gonna be here thru next election cycle too. lol
You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts. I'm glad when people suffer consequences for posting misinformation or otherwise act in bad faith.
Nazi is as nazi does. Doing things that further the objectives of nazis makes you their ally. If you don't like being accurately described that way, stop helping the nazis!
But me saying that I didn't like Harris so I chose to vote third party, is not giving false facts. So I shouldn't have been censored. If you think that is worthy of censorship, then that says a lot about you. lol
Sigh...and so it begins. I'm not a nazi just because I voted third party. lol I'm glad you are saying this in this thread tho, so people can see what it's like.
The notion that third parties are viable in the Presidential election -- especially when it's only a month or two away and most people don't have a clue who the third-party candidates even are! -- is 100% misinformation.
I never said anything of the sort. I said I was proud to vote third party, and I'm still proud to. And I will in the next election too. :)
So back in 2024 you were intentionally telling people to do a thing you yourself didn't believe would work? And then you wondered why people attacked you for it?
I didn't tell anyone to do anything. I told my thoughts about how I was gonna vote and why I came to that conclusion.
I think people should vote for whoever they want to win. We, as citizens, have that right. I supported it then, I support it now.
Heck vote for Trump if ya want to. I certainly wouldn't, but i don't think you should be banned anywhere for saying you would. Part of being part of a democracy is accepting that not everyone agrees with you. And that's ok.
We are allowed to vote for whoever we want. And I did. And said why I did. And I will do again in the future.
Even when the vote is to end the democracy and replace it with a totalitarian dictatorship? 'Cause that's what fucking happened.
Yep, welcome to democracy. If the dems want to win, they should pick better candidates that people want to vote for.