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[–] Kirk@startrek.website 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I saw that but I didn't see anything about what makes inclusion "forced" in one series but not in another.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I thought I did a reasonable job of explaining the narrative distinction in my comment. Maybe you could be specific about which part you don't understand, or which part with which you might disagree?

[–] Kirk@startrek.website -1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

yeah sure so im curious to know what "forced inclusion" means and how we're supposed to tell it apart from regular inclusion.

[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I can't speak for the other poster, but the way I see is is that "forced inclusion" is where the script directs viewer attention to it in a protracted, unnatural manner that is not pertinent to the plot. For instance, the script may be as blunt as a character saying "Wow, I can't believe you made it this far despite being a [marginalized out-group]," or it could be a little more subtle by offering a stereotyped representation of [marginalized out-group] without any kind of deeper exploration. i.e. Tokenism

Star Trek, for the most part, dove into social subjects deeper than other media at the time. Like other users have pointed out, TOS confronted racism and gender roles head on by placing a black female character on the bridge. Never drawing attention to those traits was such a strong rebuke against racism and male chauvinism that no more needed to be said. In my view, that is inclusion that is not forced upon the viewer; it is implied, but unless the viewer is explicitly looking for it, they'd never notice.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Which part of my explanation did you not understand or disagree with?