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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Agnostics are "I don't know, probably not. It's impossible to know.".

Atheists are "I don't think there's a god, there's no proof".

Anti-theists are "there is definitely no god", and they have just as much evidence as believers.

[–] bottleofchips@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because I just discovered it on wikipedia I think is worth adding ‘Ignostic’ - the belief that frankly it’s pointless even discussing any of this unless you can first define a deity. Seems bloody sensible to me.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

...who can't define a deity?

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are also some subtle variations in agnosticism.

There's the soft variety that says "there is no proof that convinces me either way but I won't rule out that someone could come up with one".

There's the hard variety that says "I don't think it's possible to prove either way".

There's even a variety that says "it doesn't matter whether (a) god exists or not, hence there's no need for a proof".

But yeah, the core of agnosticism is that you don't believe the existence of (a) god has been conclusively proven or disproven and are unwilling to commit either way without that proof.

Seems like it’s gathered quite a wide definition but this is certainly how I’ve always understood it. If I was to ever start a cult I think it’d be based on militant agnostic fundamentalism.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 points 1 day ago

Ah, interesting. Never heard the term "Anti-theist," but that does fit the bill a bit better.

[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

My understanding was that atheism is the belief that there is no god(s), whereas to be agnostic is the absence of belief one way or another, i.e unable to prove or disprove existence of god(s). With this interpretation it's more scientifically rational (for whatever that's worth) to be agnostic than atheist.

The importance of such a distinction doesn't merit much fuss beyond freshman philosophy though since you get some atheists who are absolutely evil cunts and plenty of genuinely good people of almost all religions.