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[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Cuba has the chance to become the world's first 100% Solar Powered Nation. Imagine if they ask China for help.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Cuba is still using cars from the 1950s because of the American trade embargo. Under ideal conditions a transition to pure electric / solar energy would take a decade. With an American embargo in place it would take decades and probably never finish.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't Cuba walkable for the most part? I've heard the whole 50's car factoid as a kid, but this really kind of feels like big oil/general motors propaganda. "Look at Cuba they are forced to use cars from our golden years"

I don't think there's anything stopping them from importing electric vehicles from China. Buy if you're walking most places why bother? The main concern would be freight. I am not well versed on Cuba's freight capabilities.

But if you're already cut off from oil, then there isn't really a reason to cry over something you can't have. The Cubans know this. So I wouldn't really say they're decades away from electrification. It'll happen however fast Chinese investors or even the CCP themselves want it to happen.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

Isn't Cuba walkable for the most part?

I haven't been there, but the videos I've seen show that they have a very car-centric culture.

The relatives I've had visit have confirmed the classic cars. It isn't propaganda. It's that they have a lot of cars from the time just before the US sanctions went into effect. A lot of those cars now have weird engines out of trucks, but because they can't get new car frames in easily, they're keeping them for as long as they can.

I don't think there's anything stopping them from importing electric vehicles from China

Nothing, except for the money to pay for them.

It seems like you're living in a dream world where Cuba has a strong economy and great relations with China.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Syria is also doing the same thing since all their infrastructure was destroyed. Solar power works wonders there.

If you do it smartly too, you can decentralize solar better so taking out 1 farm with isnt as bad as taking out a regular power plant with a missile.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, they have trouble paying for basic stuff. I'm sure they're setting up solar as fast as I can but it's not going to solve the current crisis.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 10 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

China doesn’t necessarily ask for payment - they also support infrastructure development via the Belt and Road Initiative in which they own the infrastructure built.

It’s as much a power play as the US trying to take over, but it does help small nations with projects they cannot afford otherwise. I have family in another Caribbean island and if there is storm damage that destroys a bridge or road, China and recently India are generally open to helping via foreign investment.

It does beg the question of whether small nations are truly sovereign, or if this is just the modern day colonialism without calling it that. However, I’ll say that my family vastly prefers the power grab from India or China that leaves them with something they need compared to the power grabs from the US which basically just bill them for being poor.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Colonialism was a whole other thing, though, it wasn't just a lack of sovereignty. There was forceful extraction of wealth going on, which is why India went from one of the richest places on Earth to a very poor nation over the period of British rule. There's "neocolonialism" where rich nations get an unfair deal in more indirect ways, but the scale is just dramatically smaller, and at the Western end amounts to shaving off cents.

The thing with Chinese investments is they are happy to front the money sometimes, but eventually they call in their debt. Places in Africa are finding out about this the hard way right now. I also question if powering all of Cuba is really something even they could do in a span of weeks.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

Places in Africa are finding out about this the hard way right now.

For the most part what's happened is that China is not longer funding new and more Africa infrastructure. A lot of this is due to the infrastructure having now been built, and the economic benefits from said infrastructure being used to pay the loans back. As intended.

I also question if powering all of Cuba is really something even they could do in a span of weeks.

They utilize I think 20% solar currently, but the problem is also storage for nighttime power consumption. Even if they could generate 100% during the day they also need the infrastructure to store or generate for nighttime.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Small nations are going to need help from larger, friendly nations, that's just reality. It doesn't make them Colonies until they lose their ability to make their own choices.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

But this begs the question of what exactly makes an independent nation. Can you truly make your own choices when everything you do will be scrutinized by the hegemons who dictate how much aid you deserve to receive? Can you ever prosper when international currency favours specific countries and tiny nations can’t trade on the world stage without the big countries taking their cut?

Today, large powers don’t conquer countries in name. Rather, they conquer them via economic force and allow them to stay “independent” in name only.