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A party that built its message around a strong, firm, and unequivocal case to end this war now would very suddenly draw attention to the undoubtedly dozens of congressional Democrats who would not echo this line. So what we get instead is limp process critiques, demanding pointless hearings, and bizarre attacks that Trump is not doing regime change fast enough. Polls repeatedly show the most common criticism of Democrats is not that they are too far left or too anti-war, but that they are too weak, that they don’t stand for anything.

Centering criticism of a deeply unpopular war on those carrying it out for not filling out the right paperwork or producing a satisfactory slideshow — rather than making clear, normative objections to a war of aggression — feeds directly into this perception. But perhaps it’s a perception Democratic leaders, and the pro-war, pro-Israel donors who fund their political careers, would prefer over the alternative.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Saying he has "no plan" is more effective because it attacks his self image.

Democrats calling to end the war would just be ignored.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Democrats calling to end the war would just be ignored.

Also it would piss off their bosses, Israel and the military industrial complex

[–] berg@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago

We can't be giving the people what they want, now can we?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We call this one "Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed"

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Explain your end game.

You tell people not to vote for the Dems, then the GOP keeps getting elected.

It's almost as if you want the GOP to win.

And if you're trying to build a strong, independent Left party, it's not working either.

[–] kittykillinit@lemy.lol 5 points 1 day ago

Anti-republicans need to nominate better candidates.

The current Democrat party is controlled opposition and everyone who supports it is part of the problem.

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And if you’re trying to build a strong, independent Left party, it’s not working either.

That's not on the people who criticize the Democrats, but the people who defend them.

If it weren't for people slavishly defending the Democrats no matter how grotesquely right-wing they get, they'd have no choice but to shift back towards the left. But with their dedicated "less bad is good" apologists, they can keep on shifting right just so long as they remain a little bit less fascist than the Republicans, which means they can keep on raking in the corporate soft money in exchange for fucking all of us.

And they will.

[–] SpaceCrystal@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's liberal morons who always defend the Democrat party. No matter what facts we give them, they'll always make excuses for them & their politicians. It's one of the reasons why they're very despised by both leftists & conservatives & why I've become an Anarchist.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You're right. It's why a two party system just can't turn out right.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, no end game?

No actual plan?

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Your questions have zero useful context. Are you asking about Trump's end game? The Democrats'? Their critics'? Their apologists'? Mine?

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I apologize for overestimating your reading skills.

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The first step to mastering your fear is to face it.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Again, you display poor reading skills.

"I apologize for overestimating your reading skills."

Nothing I wrote indicates fear.

[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

In and of itself, no, it doesn't.

In context though, it's a dismissive evasion, and they generally do.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Keep apologizing for the failure of Democrats and see how many wins you rack up with that approach.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My endgame is very simple: The extinction of the human race.

Terrible as they are, the GOP is too soft to see my endgame through. They want enslavement, not annihilation.

The end of the human species really isn't as bad as it sounds.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 0 points 1 day ago

I must be the last human to die.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Exactly. We say end the war because there is no logic. No plan.

If we just say end the war with no reasons given, it's not as strong of an argument.

With all the muslim-hate, we can't hope to stop the war on moral reasons alone.

Making it about money is one of the better strategies to get Congress to stop it, (as shitty as it is, that's the truth).

[–] berg@lemmy.zip 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We say end the war

Yeah, but here's the thing... Dem leadership is not saying they want to end the war.

Thanks for reading the article.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Well the dnc is corrupt. I guess I was talking about the non corrupt ones.