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For fucks sake why do you trust the BBC to accurately report on this law? It literally guarantees the right to learn and use minority languages and it even has provisions to help archive and standardize them. It also outlaws forms of description and ethnic suppression. But sure, it’s the same thing as violent cultural erasure 🤦♂️
Well if the west is doing something clearly the east must be doing the same thing but significantly worse, this is because people from the global south are inferior beings to my high IQ shitlib intellect.
Okay then do it already. You’ll spare me from having to see whatever empty insults you think constitute a rebuttal.
Well for one there is an ongoing genocide in China. Unless you are tanky there really is no denying this. This is exactly the same sort of laws the US passed under the same pretenses. So yeah, genocide.
You don't need to be a "tanky" to deny this. You just need to care about sources. Do they have any?
Whenever I dig into the sources for these reports they come down to the same handful:
I stopped believing in the Xinjiang genocide when I realized I couldn't find a single source that I could independently corroborate and most of the "sources" I was able to find receive over 90% of their funding from the US government or were created by the US government.
Just about every Muslim country in the world denies on this claim. It seems that the only countries that try to claim a "Xinjiang Genocide" are the same ones that cheer every time the US bombs another Muslim country.
Yeah, I will trust Amnesty International over China any day. There are, of course many other sources.
https://www.icij.org/investigations/china-cables/xinjiang-police-files-uyghur-mugshots-detention/
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/gallery/2023/dec/28/china-prison-camps-xinjiang-kazakhstan-uyghurs-kazakhs-in-pictures
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/14/the-faux-anti-imperialism-of-denying-anti-uighur
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/countries/china/chinese-persecution-of-the-uyghurs
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-break-their-roots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/china-calls-it-re-education-but-uyghur-muslims-say-its-unbearable-brutality
https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/article-file/4899186
https://www.rferl.org/a/china-strict-rules-islam-xinjiang/32798502.html
https://publish.illinois.edu/illinijournalofinternationalsecurity/blog/2019-spring-blogs/forced-internment-of-muslim-minority-in-china-concentration-camps-or-job-training/
The dramatic decline in births, restrictions of practicing their faith, sterilization, and internment all point to a slow burn genocide like the Native Americans experienced once they were put onto reservations.
When I was in grade school I would have gotten reamed for trying to cite any of these as sources. It should go without saying that they should be primary sources, not periodicals.
Does a single one of those links cite even a single reliable source?
You don't need to trust China. Just use the basic critical reasoning we we taught in school.
My basic critical reasoning says that China is a fascist nation that supplies arms to several conflict regions and has produced more billionaires than the US this and last year. I find it funny they "fought the fascists" to just become fascist themselves. So they lost around 50 million citizens between the cultural revolution and the famine for nothing.
That is what my basic logic tells me.
That's not critical reasoning. It's just bigotry.
I didn't even think of it like that. Yes, China is engaging in bigotry with their Muslim population.
It truly is bizarre the US, the most barbaric country ever, treats it Muslims better than China.
Also interesting parallels between slavery and forced labor China has made the Muslims engage in. Obviously China is fascist light compared to the US, but they sure are trying hard to make a name as the newest fascist nation to the block.
Yes they are overhanded when addressing terrorism with "education camps", but I don't think their intent is to erase their culture. If Israel acted like the Chinese towards their minorities then the world would look very different.
Fair enough. Yes, they are definitely no Isreal shudder
It's non-violent cultural erasure, the more popular kind in the 21st century.
Yeah sure, guaranteeing protections for minority culture is cultural erasure. 🙄
A single unified culture, the stated intent of this law, means erasing the minority cultures. It's no secret that Beijing does not let Tibet do what Tibet wants, just ask the 14th Dalai Lama.
Nowhere does the law imply the creation of a single unified culture. You’re just making that up. Only fascists think that national unity and multiculturalism are in conflict. What’s actually in this law suggest that China thinks the exact opposite, that national unity requires the protection of minority cultures.
Also why do you take this self proclaimed theocratic in exile to be the representative of the people of Tibet? It genuinely makes no sense.
People love to conflate the Dalai Lama with the people of Tibet.
He was plucked from a rural Chinese village as a child and turned into the head of Tibet's theocracy. At the time Tibet was a miserable feudal backwater. The vast majority of the population were oppressed, illiterate peasants. It may not have been as bad as the Chinese government claims, but every account from outside observers talks about the deprivations in Tibet.
Today Tibet has almost all children in compulsory bi-lingual education and the people have many more job options than tenant-farmer. The fact that the Dalai-Lama lives in a temple in India instead of Tibet makes no difference to the lives of Tibetans.
Well then it's a good thing China swooped in and saved them from savagery!
Nah. It's fucked up when Western colonial expansion absorbs people against their will and it's fucked up when China does it.
You still seem to think that the will of the Dalai Lama is at all related to the desires of the people of Tibet.
Aside from a CIA funded uprising half a century ago, there's no evidence at all that China "absorbs people against their will."
The 9-dash line? Not to mention the border disputes with India.
These are 2 areas that are being fought over for strategic reasons. One is a mountain border that would be a strategic chokepoint for potential future invasions. At this point it's such a farce that both sides voluntarily carry out hostilities with sticks. The 9-dash line is some pretty creative mapmaking but it has nothing to do with territory and everything to do with the straight of Malacca. They want to stop the US from doing the same thing Iran is doing at the straight of Hornuz.
Neither of those is an example of "absorbing people against their will". There are no people who to be absorbed because one is water and the other a bunch of mountains.
The one where Colonial European settlers were literally marching into Indian communities and massacring them?
Umm for the most part that was just the colonialists and later on the US when it was created. The actual Europeans were not always that horrible (except the Spanish ofc)
That China is following these same genocidal blueprints is no surprise considering their embrace of fascism.
Trying to explain this in Cherokee.
The Cherokee was almost exclusively the US. I do understand that the US came from Europe of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Cherokee_War
What makes the Spanish worse than the Dutch, English or French? All enacted genocide where they arrived, brought in slaves from Africa, and funnily enough there are more native people left in the Spanish regions (Peru, Ecuador, Guatemala) than in the English-controlled ones, the Anglos were more thorough in their genocide.
We were talking about the Native American Genocide specifically. The US was absolutely genocidal whereas other European countries were actually respecting treaties and not always trying to steal lands like the US and British.
US is of European origin though, but sure
In China it was the Communists who walked the death march.
In North America, unlike South America and Tibet or Xinjiang, the people don't look native. It's not very similar.
I was unaware communists were an ethnic group. But I guess if their predecessors had a hard time in a civil war 80 years ago it means they can't be racists now.
Ah yes, let's set state policy based on what people look like.
It means they didn't do death marches to genocide their population. It's just a historic curiosity that they did one to themselves.
There were famines which could be used for genocides. Maybe you find something there.
The logic works in the other direction. The look shows past policies. But looking at prison numbers, race still seems to be an issue.