Asklemmy

Remember on Slashdot there were multiple kinds of upvotes one could give?

That's missing, in both Reddit & Lemmy.

So's the metamoderation.

I'd love to be able to vote-up items on the front-page as "more eyes should see this" for some, & "insightful" for others, & "wrong, but in an important way" for others, etc.

1-D ratings are idiotic, & they, themselves push the dumbing-down of discussion.

Whatever reward-system, or values-enforcement-system, you put in place, it has consequences.

IF the values-system itself eradicates nuance from discussion, as Twitter's 160-chars limit, or as 1-D ratings do, THEN .. the consequence is eradication-of-depth.

Twitter complained that people who tried the platform kept leaving after a few months, out of frustration.

So, YEARS later, they allowed longer tweets.

& stopped the user-loss, to significant extent.

I think that the coercive-limitations chosen in Lemmy & PieFed, etc, are counterproductive, for the kind of community I want: community where insights & multiple-perspectives are rampant, & ideology can go eat rocks.

But others prefer ideological-polarization, & that is served by 1-D valuation-systems, isn't it?

So, in a way, this is going to be a meta-polarization:

Once someone creates a proper server platform, one which uses combined-arms to create in-depth, clear, structured, helpful, multi-dimension-rated discussions, with user-created illustrations ( in SVG ), & have hierarchy of communities, too ( something that Reddit got wrong, & everybody's been copying that, out of assumed-habit ).

The amount of effort I have to put into blocking communities ( perhaps 1 or 2 thousand, now? ) that just clutter-my-view reduces the value of Lemmy/PieFed, significantly.

Why am I NOT PERMITTED to block the entire "gaming" CATEGORY, & then select-in a few sub-category communities, like gaming-memes, for fun??

That kind of antipattern-entrenchment, when done in EVERY dimension of the fediverse, damages the entire fediverse's value.

& when you change from few-people to vast-group, every antipattern gets strengthened, robustified ( anti-fragile ), & that makes mere-problems become unkillable-monsters.

I don't envy mods when the server-system is itself rewarding the wrong kind of mind & the wrong kind of interaction, you know?

Anyways, it's the same as with programming-languages, with large apps, with cultures, with human-languages, etc:

Whatever fundamental ARCHITECTURAL+PROCESS DECISIONS you make at the beginning, CONTROL what potential you've still got, later on.

Try explaining mothering's meaning, using only arithmetic: you CAN'T, because the allowed-meaning in arithmetic precludes ALL categories-of-meaning except number-values, right?

It goes the other-way, too: you can't design an aircraft's surface using only terminology from mothering, for the same fundamental reason.

Similarly, Python CANNOT be made efficient the way Julia is, because it was made to contradict the way CPU's use memory, e.g.

& it's the same thing with 1-D rating-systems communities.

You cannot make Insightful, Inspired, & whatever the rest of the specific upvotes that Slashdot had, be improving one's discussions, if one has already prevented all such fine-granularity of feedback AND one has blocked metamoderation, for weeding-out idiots.

< sigh >

Really, it requires better brainstorming, before committing implimentation-decisions into architectural-habit/culture/tradition.

AND it requires better-modeling/prototyping before locking-in such decisions.

Because once they're entrenched, then you aren't getting them changed.

Robust/antifragile's a real problem, for antipatterns.

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