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me personally i also am of the belief being constantly combative and hostile is counterproductive obviously, but i was just emotionally venting about the experience of being in usually anti-usa spaces already and doing emotional complaints against usa (which i believe is entirely valid) and then being responded to with frustrating denialism. this is less about actual discourse and exchange of ideas, but even then, sometimes compromise cannot be made and you cannot change their minds. but i think we should of course try our best in any situation where it seems as if we can. i dont know if you thought i was saying this in my comment or if you understood, but yeah i just wanted to add in case the nuance seemed missing from my original comment
That's alright I wouldn't blame victims for crying out in pain. Especially when they're often systematically denied the opportunity to learn how to "best" conduct themselves. And then we end up treating victims like circus participants, only helping out the best performers, it's inhumane. I hate having to tolerate this happening, it's like being forced to have 8 hours sleep to recharge proper, when there's issues happening right now. I haven't found a correct answer of how to balance these things.
But I do think we should side with the victims whenever someone is crying about them saying mean words, lazy boned liberals who don't ask why people are mad should be relentlessly educated. And I think the issue here is we don't see each other and we don't know who we're talking to exactly. I'm really sorry for assuming anything. I should have made clear my problem is with the radical imperial core people, who love to throw out words that they think makes them sound like cannons, but they sound like a kazoo. The victim should speak up for themselves and yes absolutely we should defend them, but a lot of people who throw out big slogans haven't done to work to earn the right to.
I think I know what you mean (but correct me if I'm off on some other train of thought). There is a difference between the venting of targets of imperialism vs. people who live in the imperial core taking the dehumanization worldview they learned growing up and pointing it inward rather than outward as if this is fixing things, when part of what's important is the need to unlearn that worldview.